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@terryenglish I doubt that even the people who hate Elon's guts understand why they hate Elon's guts.
@terryenglish Considering a lot of the hate started before of the firings... in some cases absolutely.
And even in the cases where we're talking about people getting fired, if you have this kind of fanatical hate because you lost your cozy job... that is not normal friend. This is not their hate because they got fired. This is a religious zealotry that was pushed on them. Just like people started irrationally hating Trump back around 2015. All people had to point at was that he said "grab 'em by the pussy once", but everyone was manipulated into hating Trump with a religious fervor. The same thing is happening again. People don't hate Musk because what he did. They hate Musk because they've been told to by the people they chose to follow religiously, by those who they chose as their thought leaders.
P.S. As for unelected, I'm sorry but that's false. It was announced that Elon Musk was gonna have a part in Trump's administration well before the election took place. The only difference from then to now, was that the original plan asked for Vivek Ramaswamy too. People were informed, they wanted this. 
@terryenglish
>doing nazi salutes
Ok. So you lost the plot then.
Have a good day.
Yes I lost the plot
I suppose it's just a coincidence he likes and boosts posts of known Nazis on X too. You have a good day too buddy. You got your work cut out for you defending someone like Elon online. My heart goes out to you.
@terryenglish Dude, you literally spouted multiple propaganda lies. Yes, you lost the plot.
>Musk's favourability now and before he took a wrecking ball to the US government
No, people started going after Musk as soon as he bought Twitter, because he dared stop the censorship against anything not far-left. Then the hate was doubled down when he campaigned for Trump. This has nothing to do with DOGE. It has to do with "we must hate everyone associated with Republicans".
>Turns out the government does a lot more good things for the public than most people relized
And it does a lot more bad things than good things. Including trying to mess with other countries stability, such as my own. And I'd rather that stop, thank you very much.
> Even MAGA is starting to get buyer's remorse. You don't have to take my word for it, just look at the polling.
Except the polling has Trump better than his first term. The "buyer's remorse" is a literal propaganda catchphrase, and you seem oblivious that you were propagandized. What was the saying "repeat a lie often enough...". You didn't check the polling, you just heard the same phrase from a bunch of media outlets and you repeated it. What a good party stooge your are!
>DOGE was originally supposed to be a nongovernmental advisory board and not have any real power.
DOGE was supposed to be exactly what it is. Trump said he would include Musk and Vivek in HIS ADMINISTRATION before the election took place. How the hell would it be non-governmental when they were picked to be in his administration? You're not even making sense. As for the power, DOGE advises, Trump signs off on it, as it is with most stuff. If your criticism is that Trump approves too easily of what Musk tells him should be done, that's fair criticism. But don't lie to me as if Musk actually gets to fire people himself.
>I'm not even going to touch your asinine about people somehow being "manipulated" into hating Trump
If I were to go way back, I've seen the left gaslight itself into blindingly hating republicans for 20 years. I saw it first in the Atheist movement, where people went from giving good arguments, to "well he's a stupid republican, hurp, durp, so what he says is stupid, ergo god not real". I've seen them slowly start dismissing what people say purely on their political affiliation. I've seen people slowly being manipulated into thinking anything right-wing is always inherently bad. I was damn close to being swept up by it too. Then Atheism+ came along, then GamerGate, and the propaganda and lies just got worse and worse. So yes, people have been propagandized, groomed and manipulated into hating anybody who has even a whiff of right-wing on them, and all they need is a signal from their thought leaders to go complete ape shit.
Just as with the Nazi Germany hate of Jews, this isn't something that happened over night. It's been a long process to get to this point. Jews had to face smears and lies going back centuries, until you started seeing truly horrific false accusations. In America's case, things progress faster, because information can spread faster. It took far less time for the likes of "they're killing trans kids" or "they're genociding trans people" to come along and spread, compared to the "they're killing and drinking the blood of Christian babies" that Jews had to deal with.
>It's very much the same case for Musk. Doing Nazi salutes
Have you even seen the video? That's not a Nazi salute. Sit the fuck down. Go watch some WW2 documentaries and see what Nazi salutes are actually supposed to look like. If Hitler saw the limp wristed Musk or Bannon, he would have put them in jail.
Are you actually this stupid to think the next dictators will use the symbolism of the previous dictators? Are you this moronic? Hitler specifically used the swastika because it was a symbol of peace. That's what dictators actually do, they lie to you, they put you into a false sense of security by using the symbols of peace of their time (bonus points if they corrupt it, like inverting the swastika) and by proclaiming they fight the evil. The news media that you watch or read every day, who is it that they name as evil? Trump? Musk? What is today's symbol of peace? Maybe the rainbow flag, that got corrupted by things that have nothing to do with sexuality? Like the black and brown stripes to represent PoC, and then the Ukraine chevron.
If you want to see the dictators of tomorrow, go look at who your media proclaim as "fighting fascism". Go look at Antifa that for years had sowed chaos in US and then exported their terror in EU too.
Do you remember how Hitler actually got in power? Do you remember the chaos his brown shirts caused in Germany? The random beatings and vandalism? Hhmm... who could that remind me of? Rhetorical question, I already gave you the answer.
Seriously, go sit down and learn some actual history. Go and actually learn the fucked up history of communism and fascism. Go see what dictators actually did to get and maintain power. Clue: it's not dissolving government bureaucracy, it's always creating more and more central bureaucracy. It's create central bureaucracy that dictates what the local government needs to do, and leave no freedom for local government to decide anything.
Take the Department of Education as an example. What do you think will actually happen if Trump manages to completely dissolve it? Answer: the decisional power goes back to the state level. Meaning, less actual power to the central government, aka Trump. Literally the reverse of what dictators do. Go look at today's China and how it uses their central power to force schools to teach students Xi Jinping Thought, Xi's personal ideology. That's not something a dictator can do without a central Department of Education.
Want to see true fascism in US, track down whoever it was that started pressuring the school system to use DEI in their hiring and admissions, and who it was stat pushed critical race praxis in the curriculum.
I swear, there is no single population in the world that is more poorly educated on what actual authoritarianism looks like than fucking Americans, because they had it so fucking good for so fucking long. Meanwhile, my nation had to fucking deal with both fascists and communists within our borders. We had to deal with a legitimate leader being assassinated and having leadership be taken over by fascists. (gee, who was it that had multiple assassination attempts on him in American...). And when we managed to get rid the fascist rule, and change sides in the middle of a world war, our repayment was being handed over to communists for four decades.
America and Western Europe know jack shit about what authoritarianism looks like, you know jack shit about dictators. So shit the fuck down.
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I wanted to add this add this at the end, and completely forgot.
Maybe you missed the Evergreen thing. If you want to see how authoritarians behave, how far gone the left is, how indoctrinated and manipulated Americans have been, I dare you to watch this playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcfLihkEkWJ9wt1h-qpWLD5P8VbQUJ3K8
@terryenglish
Would you say this is normal and justified?
