sure its much easier to manage things when you don't have freedom of expression as a constitutional right, and especially when you aren't bothered by things like actually being a representative democracy.

when you're at the point of opining banning your opposition (Germany), cancelling elections after losing them (Romania), or dissolving parliament because you are about to (France), it's not really that big of a step to complain that somebody can afford to buy more stickers for candidate you don't like than you can.

in fact you can even just skip the pretense and go directly back to being a monarchy, which would save on european hypocricy and a lot of bookkeeping in general :blabcat:

@icedquinn For Romania you can also add banning people from running as candidates in an election. It's not as bad as banning an entire political party like Germany is thinking about, but we're trying our best. (by the way, the reason we had 2 candidates banned from participating is basically that they criticized EU and NATO, and maybe vaguely insinuated the possibility of leaving these alliances).

@alyx wasn't there some cope about russians buying ads in romania

@icedquinn So the latest in the story is that a local TikTok influencer, named Bogdan Peșchir, spent almost $1 million on bribing people (through 265 intermediates) to buy votes for the now banned candidate Călin Georgescu. I guess the insinuation is that the money he was spreading around might have come from Russia, but so far I haven't seen it proven. But we do know that another ally of Georgescu was contacting a Russian military official, so we might end up with something eventually.

That being said, while there are some serious crimes here, and lots of people are gonna end up in jail, based on the evidence we have so far, it's still hard to argue that the fraud was the decisive factor in getting Georgescu beyond the 1st round of presidential elections. Or in other words, cancelling the elections hasn't been justified yet, imo.

@alyx i wonder how much longer europe can keep straight facing that they are not just monarchic fascists while basically doing everything that popper asked people not to do as an open society

@icedquinn Until a Trump or Vance lead USA decides to step in and conquer us.

@alyx i don't think trump/vance are particularly open society folk either though.
@alyx i kind of dodged an argument where someone was complaining about Rand and its like ok but rand became such a weirdo through basically
- arguing out of the frustration of business owners, and,
- supporting that model of capitalism because voluntary mercantalism is one of the only ways to do business when the use of force is off the table

i see a lot of people specifically not understand this second point and just hate on rand because "she likes being selfish" and its like ok she wrote a book about that, but sometimes weird and unliked shit is a direct product of something else we did like.

i noticed its very common for people to want to seek direct and unsubtle solutions to perceived problems (thus the joke about the systems analyst coming behind and telling you that you can choose 1-1000 but not 7, because 7 is forbidden for no particular reason)
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@icedquinn I never read Rand directly, but I've heard a few objectivists explain the ideology, and to me it always sounded overall reasonable. I don't know if actually trying to organize society around objectivism would work, but it's probably something worth learning about at least.

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