i love r/linuxsucks it's full of clueless casual users
like imagine tomato except there are like 15 more clones of him and they all post to this one subreddit

@nyanide I keep saying it, the Linux community is bad. And he's right, most of the good software you associate with Linux is available on Windows too. So there's little incentive in switching to Linux in the first place.

Until user friendliness becomes a priority, Linux is not a good choice for a desktop OS for the average user.
It's a good choice for some programmers, people who like to tinker, and maybe some other niche users. But not for... pretty much everyone else on Earth.

@alyx @nyanide
>Until user friendliness becomes a priority, Linux is not a good choice for a desktop OS for the average user.

I don't want to derail this thread more, but I don't want Linux to be good for the average user. The developers that already have this kind of thinking now are making Linux worse every month and most of them want to turn it into a mobile OS with full on permissions for everything. I simply don't want that.
@phnt @alyx @nyanide
Linux is 'user friendly' enough anyways. There are full, complete desktop environments, most better than that of windows. I don't know how linux could become 'more' user friendly.
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@yomiel @nyanide @phnt
Simple. When I go in a forum, and ask: "hey, this software isn't working", the first thing that comes out of someone's mouth shouldn't be "open your terminal and type...".
When Linux can achieve this for say... 70% of the time, it will be ready for mass user adoption.

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@alyx @nyanide @phnt
If you want a system where you never touch the terminal, that already exists. Both Debian and Ubuntu (and most their derivatives) do this (package installation and other system configuration is done through GUI)

@yomiel @nyanide @phnt
I install software through a GUI on Arch too. Installing software is not the issue. The issue is when you need to configure stuff, or something breaks, and the solution always seem to involve the terminal at some point or another.
To be clear, I'm not complaining for myself. I'm just saying what needs to be accomplished to get average Windows users to switch. As long as the terminal is a standout advertised feature for Linux, instead of something hidden out of sight, like Command Prompt is on Windows, Linux will not be considered user friendly for most PC users.

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