@uis @a1ba
I think people here lost a lot of their trust in EU. Me personally, I now view it as a neo-fascist government project. Others just see it as a governmental structure that oppresses their particular nation and it's interests. And others just see it as incompetent.
So yeah, people don't actually trust EU will do what the people want.

@alyx @a1ba How so? As outsider it seems to me best of currently existing. Aside from less healthcare.

@uis @a1ba
At best EU is a bureaucratic nightmare that manages to do nothing, because that's how bureaucracies are.
At worst, EU is actively trying to sabotage the national identities and culture of its constituent members. Nationalism and patriotism are taboo concepts for EU leadership.

BUT... what is interesting to notice, is that EU is and has been pushing, for as long as I know, an European nationalism. I think there are factions within EU leadership that want to completely dissolve the nation states that comprise EU, and create something new, around the newish invented European nationality. And I think ultimately it will lead to a new form of fascism formed around it.

One of the tools I think they're trying to use to achieve this is unrestricted immigration. Get enough foreigners from Middle East, Asia, or Africa to go into a country, over many years, and you'll manage to disrupt its culture. Say you import tens of millions of people into French. At some point talking about French culture and nationality becomes meaningless, because there's no more shared history between everyone living in France. So instead, you get everyone to give up talking about themselves as French people, and have them adopt European as their identity. It's not encumbered with any kind of historical meaning, it's not tied to any cultural norms. You can go "you're not a real British person because you don't drink tea", but you can't use that sort of reasoning to deny someone being an European citizen.

An interesting case example, a few years ago there was a competition for "best town from EU to live in". An Hungarian town was supposed to win it. But then the jury literally went "but... it's too white. Why is everyone Caucasian? Where are the ethnic minorities that dilute your culture and nationality". And they were denied the win, over something that wasn't even an official requirement of the competition. A competition that was about nations celebrating their culture and heritage instantly became "actually, you're following your culture too much".

Of course immigration is not the only tool. They've been pushing propaganda around "European citizenship" since forever. You can have both politicians and media talk about EU citizenship as if it's something that actually matters. That it's something to take pride in. There's a massive push to make it seem like it's the EU citizenship that grants people their rights within EU. They even tried to replace manufacturers putting "Made in France/Denmark/etc." on their products, with "Made in EU".

And EU is becoming more and more like a nation, instead of what it was supposed to be: an alliance. EU already has a central government, with a president, Parliament, the EU Commission. It has a constitution, it has laws. It has it's own justice system with courts of law. The only thing EU lacks thus far is a central military, although there are constant talks about forming one.

And before you accuse me of being an antisemitic conspiracy theorist, I want to make it clear, I am firmly convinced this has nothing to do with Jews. If anything, all of it probably has German origins. Though at this point in the process of reforming Europe in this aberration, the ideological motivation for all of this likely exceeds the borders of Germany, and it's no longer just them that push for this new fascist conformity.

In all honesty, this is pretty much the Nazis winning and Europe finally forming the 3rd Reich that Hitler wanted. And there's more than enough antisemitism to go around, thanks to a deluge of Islamic immigrants that didn't integrate, so we have that part of Hitler's dream covered too.