@becassine
Several microbiologists have come out against things like anti bacterial soap saying it (inadvertently) creates stronger bacteria.

Whoops.
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@becassine
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Remember when Triclosan got banned from hand soap as it did more harm than good?

@parisc @becassine @CSB @bakubased @coolboymew @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @skylar That stuff was in colgate total till recently. Makes you more susceptible to things that mimic estrogen, like BPA, making it particularly bad for women. Friend of mine did an entire PhD on it I recall.

@parker @bakubased @CSB @marud @deprecated_ii @coolboymew @ooignignoktoo @parisc @skylar
I am also very sceptical of any deodorant that uses aluminum for similar reasons

@becassine

I'm sceptical of most personal care products in general.

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@leyonhjelm @becassine @CSB @bakubased @coolboymew @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @parisc @skylar

Well the general pipeline is as follows:

>make product with poorly researched substance
>research gets done
>substance gets banned
>update product with functionally similar, but poorly researched substance
>repeat

@parker

Especially when it comes to inactive ingredients or specific active ingredients. I've read interesting things speculating about vaccines (way pre-COVID, I mean real vaccines) possibly being fine but the preservatives and inactive ingredients possibly being the real problems. Eggs, peanut products, etc. as potential sources of allergies and other issues when injected into infants, for example. I'm not saying these are necessarily true, but they're an interesting approach to looking at products.

The reason I favour wholesome and pure products isn't just that they're uncut and pure, but because the more mixing that goes on in any single product, the harder it can be to figure out which part of it is causing a problem.

When I buy beef, I want to know it's beef. When I buy a carrot, I want it to be a carrot. When I buy a can of something, typically there's no way to know what might have changed about the can and its lining, and I certainly don't remember every ingredient in its list that might clue me into the product not being quite what it was a year or more ago last time I bought something similar.

My wife doesn't eat bell peppers because some bother her digestion and some do not. Her latest theory is the male or female peppers might be what causes the problem (we haven't tested it) though we've also found red agrees with her more than green, but still can be hazardous. With whole foods, we know what the pepper is but still may not know what the soil was like where it was grown, or what the farmer may have used to keep his crops safe. Even organic farming uses organic methods to keep pests and problems from ruining the crop.

The further we get away from knowing what we are putting in and on our bodies, the more difficult it is to make the most of things when we find something causes us issues, much less to even know what thing that is.

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@leyonhjelm @parker @CSB @bakubased @becassine @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @parisc @skylar

>Eggs, peanut products, etc. as potential sources of allergies and other issues when injected into infants

>eggs

Wait what?

@coolboymew

Access walled, but here's an article from the American Academy of Pediactrics' "Pediatrics in Review", Volume 27, Issue 3 - March of 2006 about egg-based vaccines.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatricsinreview/article-abstract/27/3/118/76013/Egg-based-Vaccines?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Here is the CDC citing egg protein as a residual element in vaccines used to grow the bacteria used in making the vaccine

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Eggs are a cheap and common source of bio-available protein.

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@coolboymew @leyonhjelm @CSB @bakubased @becassine @deprecated_ii @marud @parisc @parker @skylar

Yeah they use something from eggs with flu vaccines, that's why if you got an egg allergy they recommend you don't take it.

@ooignignoktoo

Yeah. The peanut claim is more spurious and possibly flagrantly false, but the egg one is generally true, especially of flu vaccines. The peanut one led me into the rabbit hole and the other parts were a lot better documented as actual additives.

The NIH also has published things about using beef and/or pork in drug production.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15479773/

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The medical industrial complex is a fantastic source of laughs.
They inject everyone with garbage, creating allergies (allergies are nothing but vaccine injuries, Nature does not make you allergic to your own food), and then they tell you "we can't inject you again because you're allergic."
Except that it doesn't matter anymore when COVID. 🤣

@ooignignoktoo @coolboymew @CSB @bakubased @becassine @deprecated_ii @leyonhjelm @marud @parisc @parker @skylar
And besides that they also feed their animals with hazardous food.
Same goes for medication.

@leyonhjelm @parker @CSB @bakubased @becassine @coolboymew @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @parisc @skylar
>Even organic farming uses organic methods to keep pests and problems from ruining the crop.
That isn't an issue tho as long as organic means mineral digested by bacteria with/or without the help of fermentation.
There are lots of recipe to raise bacteria to extract minerals from either plant or rocks that can be sprayed onto the plants, which will not only protect them by spreading bacteria and minerals on it but it also nourish them via the phloem.
You'll not that the same goes with cattle. If the food they're feed with is itself grown with health hazardous agents then we will eat meat that has been contaminated.

>The further we get away from knowing what we are putting in and on our bodies, the more difficult it is to make the most of things when we find something causes us issues, much less to even know what thing that is.
Toucher, note that today we're getting a better view that what we're eating is actual toxic and it's often if not always industrialized processed food/crops.
Vegetable oils for example:
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3k
At the end of the day it's not only one food that is a health hazard, it's a combination of more than one type of it.

@becassine @bakubased @CSB @coolboymew @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @parisc @parker @skylar >healthy bacteria

let's not get into microbiology and skin ;-)

@wikifarms
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Let's talk about why raw milk is actually better for you than the pasteurized shit, and why you need to know a farm or have a cow to get it.

@parisc
Elaborate on this, I'm curious.
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@bakubased
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From what I've heard raw milk has bacteria that is removed in pasteurized milk, including good bacteria. Pasteurized milk on the other hand removes everything, good or harmful, and iirc it also doesn't strengthen your immune system as much.

The FDA on the other hand hates it and infamously went full SWAT team on sellers of it. That's just the short version really.

@parisc
That's honestly really interesting and not something I thought about
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@parisc @bakubased @CSB @becassine @coolboymew @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @skylar @wikifarms
I hear there's a wonderful book on that, and related topics. Need to buy a copy.

@parisc @bakubased @CSB @becassine @coolboymew @deprecated_ii @marud @ooignignoktoo @parker @skylar @wikifarms
>From what I've heard raw milk has bacteria that is removed in pasteurized milk, including good bacteria.
I'm confirming that.
What you call good bacteria is just bacteria being able to live in symbiosis with the body thus we are able to digest lactose. And of course there's also bacteria that is dangerous but it's a percentage so small that it's not an issue when done locally.
The reason for pasteurization is because industrial process is so big that the said percentage becomes an economical/legal menace when you need to have milk that can be stored for months
Thus after several decades of sterilized milk human bodies are less and less able to digest at lot of food that they could digest in the past.
That's why pharmacies also sells literal dehydrated shitpills under a brand name.
Because feces contains some type of bacteria that are good for the stomach, but they won't ever tell you that the product in the pill comes from feces from humans or animals. Better to take the brown pill than drinking local unpasteurized milk

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I just had to sit through a conversation with a coworker where she was upset about a book she read where people were advocating for raw milk

I really had to hide my powerlevel

@becassine
As someone who likes cooking there's a lot of bullshit they should've just left alone.
I can't make some of my grandma's recipes because the govt decided it was bad. That's really sad
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