@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy If you harm someone then sure, you ought to get locked up or whatever. But what about "pedophiles" who merely have the disorder that makes them get turned on to children, yet know their moral limits and have zero intention of ever touching anyone or even looking at CSAM? I mean, it's just like normal people who aren't gonna rape hot adults even if they're sexually arousing. I do not believe such people deserve the hate at all.

I don't care I'll live with that at least I wont take the change to let you abuse a child go victimize someone else.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @beardalaxy Holy shit these fucking retards trying to justify virtues pedophilia? The wall or a chamber for such speds…

Yes they always will it's a mental condition ......

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp The autism song fits adequately which such retards.

@Delusionary_PhD @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy Yeah, I think autism has something to do with it, as I never feel like going out of my way to do research. I've never experienced or witnessed any sort of abuse whatsoever so I'm blind to the reasons behind the intense hatred, but I started feeling it indirectly as it seems some people think of all weebs as pedos and I just don't really understand it. But this thread has enlightened me on both sides of the issue.

@lamp @Delusionary_PhD @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy It's genuinely like the "punch Nazis" thing. "Counter-culture" that people virtue signal about to the point everyone is trying to outdo eachother for upboats and won't even bear listening if you don't agree

@applejack @lamp @Delusionary_PhD @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy I think it might also be a pressure valve for people. You're no longer allowed to hate kikes, fags, etc. but if you want to hate someone: look there's this guy that thinks girls under 18 can be hot 😱 . Shocking, am I right? Now have at it and start bashing each other for dating a girl a few years too young. Don't mind the fag parade where people actually traumatize, groom and brainwash kids into something unnatural

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @Delusionary_PhD @lamp You're like some retarded kike screaming about how racism is a mental illness that causes inherent harm. You're psyoped and retarded

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/child-marriage-rationale-historical-views-and-consequences.html
> Child marriages involving only one marriage partner below the age of 18, usually the female, are also quite common. Throughout history till the 20th century, child marriages were the norm in most parts of the world
>Girls were usually married off as soon as they reached puberty or sometimes even prior to that

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States&oldid=1104610475
> In 1880, the ages of consent were set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware where it was 7.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v16n02_03
> Age of Consent throughout history has usually coincided with the age of puberty although at sometimes it has been as early as seven. Early on age of consent was a familial or tribal matter and only became a legal one in the Greco-Roman period. The Roman tradition served as the base for Christian Europe as well as the Christian Church itself which generally, essentially based upon biological development, set it at 12 or 14 but continued to set the absolute minimum at seven

@applejack @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @Delusionary_PhD wtf 7??

@lamp @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy If they chemically castrate themselves then I can respect that.

I don't agree some to abuse children anyway. But I respect your perspective.

@Mackiavelli13 @OverstepSmirkCrepe @beardalaxy @lamp Rape is not about sexual pleasure tho castrated men can still rape

@sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @OverstepSmirkCrepe i agree with this, of course there are times when it can be sexual or driven by substances that increase your sex drive and lower inhibition, but i think it more often comes down to wanting power over someone (and an adult can have more power of a child than anyone else).

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp My understanding is that chemical castration means they don't feel anything anymore. Hence why I would be fine with that as a solution. Maybe I am wrong though.

Abuse and rape aren't about having a orgasm or a hardon it's like a drug even if they want to tell everyone they won't do it. It always creeps in the back of their minds.

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp Wood chipper it is then. Shame.

@OverstepSmirkCrepe @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp Yeah rape is more about power and domination than sexual gratification, people often rape with objects for that reason

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp @OverstepSmirkCrepe No, I think there's a sexual component to it just like how larceny is 99% about financial gain and not the thrill of thieving.

That's the problem with pedophiles, it's a sexual desire issue and that can't be locked away. There are countries where homosexuality is a death penalty but gay men still go out and get their dick bent.

Chemical castration is not the solution, that's a feminist power fantasy about emasculating men by taking away testosterone. Actual castrating isn't the issue either, look at troons, they cut their balls of and take estrogen and they're still extreme deviant furry kiddy diddlers.

@OverstepSmirkCrepe @lamp @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy Real question cuz I'm ignorant. Is that reversible?

@SwattySquad @lamp @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy Don't think so.

Nope.

@OverstepSmirkCrepe @Mackiavelli13 @lamp people can do whatever they want to themselves, but i think requiring someone to be chemically castrated, or pushing them towards it for something like a lighter sentence, is cruel and unusual punishment. that FUCKS you up. plus, afaik there isn't really an equal to that for women who offend.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp i'm not saying anything about destroying a child's life. i'm not talking about people who act on their inclinations. i'm only expressing that those who do not act are not deserving of any punishment. if people hate them, that's their issue, but if people are actively trying to hurt them then it's not ethical. just because there is a child involved in the fantasy does not change that. it's where the sensationalism comes from, and it is the exact tactic governments and corporations use to strip away freedoms often. children could be on this website? we have to place down all of these restrictive rules. CP can be traded on phones? time to spy on your camera roll and send cops to your house if you take a picture of your child's rash. it is irrational behavior.

i'm not of the belief that most mental illnesses or types of thinking can truly be "cured" but they can be dealt with in healthy ways. i think that killing people isn't a healthy way of dealing with something, and wishing death upon them isn't exactly healthy either. i think it probably works in the opposite direction, where hating someone so much will only cause them to become closer to what you think they are. there are plenty of pedophiles out there that actually love children and would never do anything to harm them despite having those thoughts arise.

that's only my thoughts on the subject though because i don't know for sure, it's just kind of what i've observed over the years. people will meme about this phenomenon with radicalization of political views but when it comes to pedophilia it's "oh no these people are the scum of the earth, eradicate them" which is exactly what the NPC in this scenario did. that's why i say it's hypocritical.

I will die on this hill because its a slippery slop. It's starts by being a little infraction a little Lolli always excuses that end up at the same result children get abuse and it destroys their changes to ever be normal and in many case creates another pedophile.
Mark 9:42
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp again, we're not talking about actually harming a child. if they do, then they should be punished. also, the context of that scripture iirc is about taking preventative measures so you don't sin, such as "cutting off your hand" so you don't thieve, or "tearing out your eyes" so you do not covet. i don't think it is necessarily meant to be taken literally. in the same vein, pedophiles can take preventative measures to make sure they do not harm little ones. many of them don't even have to, they know they never would do such a thing.

let me ask you a question. do you believe that children who have suffered abuse and now, as adults, are pedophiles should continue to be harmed? ones that use things such as loli and other fantasy as a coping mechanism, or an outlet? should they be treated just the same as the people who wronged them?

You don't understand that it will lead to that in the end . Nice try.

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp

Numbers 31:17
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Numbers 31:18
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Every translation is "girls" "young girls" "women children" "female child"

Did you know child marriage was normal during the time of the bible, btw?

@beardalaxy @Mackiavelli13 @lamp It is literally just the punch Nazis thing. They're literally just psyoped virtue-signalling faggots, but they say nigger

It's not a rabid dog's fault it contracted rabies, but it still needs to be put down regardless.

AMEN.

@Hoss @beardalaxy @Mackiavelli13 Is it really like rabies though? If it's merely the passive ability to get sexually aroused, I'd think it be no harder to manage than sexual attraction to adults.

I've only known one pedophile, whom said they have a "line" and only consumed lolicon content. They seemed like a perfectly fine person, but seemed to be under tension of the social stigma. I don't know them anymore, but are you saying there's a good chance they might cause harm in the future?

it always starts by small things like drugs or anything that creates dopamine. One day it will lead them to more and more . And I'd rather not let them have that chance. Such is life.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @beardalaxy @Hoss Pedophilia is not a sexuality it is a paraphilia and it comes with a whole suite of problems normal sexualities don't

It's many things .... nothing good.

@sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp @Hoss That's wrong. DSM5 lists it also as an orientation

But "sexuality" as a concept is kinda dumb to begin with. There's normal and there's abnormal. Historically pedophilia was always normal and accepted. Same-sex vs opposite-sex is arbitrary, it exists only so that homosexuals don't get classified as mentally ill

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss that's just eugenics, which i believe is highly unethical. it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that some people would rather have people be killed for no more than thoughts. you are willing people to escalate those thoughts with your rhetoric. you want to believe so much that these people are going to be horrible enough to actually harm a child so that you can demonize them, rather than offering some help and preventing that from occurring. it's highly irrational.

They will never be tolerated if I have something to do with it. Good luck with your oh so noble agendas.

@beardalaxy @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss I was abused as a child, a lot of people were, you have to understand that it is not a philosophical question without consequences. Rabid hate of pedophiles is a sane reaction in a society that aims to protect children. Hens don't let the foxes into the coop

I second this. takes lots of work to be able to talk about it as well.

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp @Hoss Strangely i am able to unload with strangers and was never able to talk to my mother about it, i guess i just don't want to add to the bullshit burden we had to deal with

Makes sense to me. It's always easier to talk about this shit with faceless strangers on the Internet with whom you have no personal stakes.

@Hoss @Mackiavelli13 @sunshinetadpole @lamp that's kind of the nice thing about the internet, for all its faults. at least you can get things off of your chest. there are probably pedophiles that have the same feeling about it, it makes for a good outlet and just talking to people about stuff can really change the way you think about things or your perspective on things, as long as people are being respectful. especially talking to people that have gone through similar issues and actually understand what you're going through, because it is unlikely that a therapist or your parents will truly understand the gravity of whatever is pulling down on you even if they want to try their best to help.

It's like surviving a train wreck or a war . You are proud of being able to talk bout it . Part of the process of accepting that and trying to turn it into something that doesn't make your life a living nightmare . imo . Took me 20 years to wake up and 5 years of intense therapy. But we all have our issues.

@Mackiavelli13 @beardalaxy @lamp @Hoss Yeah it took me ages to get better, fucked real bad with my sexuality growing up too, nobody wants to feel like a victim. I grew up tall and strong it was an everyday fight not to be consumed by anger and not hurt people around me. It was not their fault y'a know

You know what bothers me the most. It's that I never had the reflex to use it as a way of getting attention or monetary ones as well. Each time I see people like Lucas I'm like :

You gotta take that pain and vulnerability and use it to lift heavy things and put them back down. Become powerful.

Takes time I was lucky I was able to do it others become like Lucas that's the danger.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @sunshinetadpole @Hoss who is this lucas person you keep talking about

Keffals.

WHERE

@Hoss @lamp @sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 oooooohhhhhhh. yeah a tranny that is sending black market HRT to young boys is heaps and bounds worse than someone who is just attracted to children but leads a normal life despite that. fuck anyone causing actual harm (and turning children into trannies is 100% actual harm).

@beardalaxy @Hoss @sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 aren't those children born that way though? transgenderism occurs when parts of the brain (or even the body) physically have traits of the opposite sex, and the brain may think it's of the opposite gender (dysphoria), so transitioning is a way to deal with the dysphoria.

and aren't most of them happier after transitioning? there are some horror stories but i've heard they are a small percentage.

@lamp @Hoss @sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 the amount of people who are actually transgender (have gender dysphoria) vs the amount of people who are being led to believe they are transgender is miniscule. the fact that i can watch a smash bros tournament and see like 10 trannies in a room of maybe 50 people is not right. it propagates like a plague in circles where people don't typically feel socially accepted and they think that becoming trans will gain them social acceptance. if their happiness was hinging on that to begin with, maybe they will be happy for some time, but it's for the wrong reasons. they aren't actually happy with themselves, they're happy that people like them now. once those people are gone.... what do they have to be happy about anymore?

i think it's a huge problem with autistic people. the amount of trannies who are also autistic is massive. they get taken advantage of because their social awareness is lower than a normal person.