@Beefki I think Pathfinder is a little bit too complicated for someone who is just getting into it. That's partially why 5e is so popular. 5e GETS more complicated, because it is not super well balanced or as consistent. Pathfinder is really cool, and Pathbuilder is awesome, it's something I want to pivot to, but not for fresh newbies! I can barely keep people understanding 5E of all things lol.