@AstolfoCockVore as someone who didn't grow up playing l4d, I really can't stand playing it. Not for these reasons, but there's just something about the gameplay that makes me want to stop playing. I enjoy b4b way more. It feels super solid and the customization/specialization is really fun. I wonder how many other people are like that.

I also felt the same with with half life 2, I heard its praises sung to high heaven and back but I really didn't like it. The original was way better and I say that as someone who had played neither until 2020. I'd say maybe I just don't like source engine but I do like portal, although you don't really shoot in portal so maybe it's something about the shooting that throws me off.