@sjw @dcc @GinNig @Terry @siinclaiir >Christ's death is both a heinous crime and integral part of Salvation
>Jesus died for your sins but his death was somehow a bad thing
>God sacrificed Himself to Himself so Himself could forgive humanity, but somehow that's the Romans and the Jews' fault

Crucifixion wasn't even anything special by Roman standards. Julius Cesar supposedly crucified the entire crew of pirates that kidnapped him. Yet the crucifixion of a single Jewish messianic preacher is supposed to be meaningful.