Trump can actually get exactly 270 electors just by holding serve where he's supposed to and sweeping Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia. There is a very plausible scenario in which Trump hits 270 and gets the race called for him while all the other swing states are undeclared. Then all of them flipping blue under mysterious circumstances and bringing the total to 270-268 creates a scenario where just one faithless elector could cost Trump the presidency, assuming the Deep State cooks up some Russian interference bullshit as a fig leaf to get one guy to flip. If you're looking for a shitshow scenario to kickstart a civil war, something like that could well be it.
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@ArdainianRight maybe I'm just retarded and don't know how any of this works but none of the states have only 1 vote. 3 is the minimum.
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Like if Trump wins Montana, he gets the 3 Republican electors chosen for this purpose to go to the convention where the official vote is cast. In practice all electors have voted for their designated candidate, but there's no rule that they have to, and a "faithless electors" situation has been speculated about in the past, including when Trump won in 2016.
Like if Trump wins Montana, he gets the 3 Republican electors chosen for this purpose to go to the convention where the official vote is cast. In practice all electors have voted for their designated candidate, but there's no rule that they have to, and a "faithless electors" situation has been speculated about in the past, including when Trump won in 2016.
@ArdainianRight @beardalaxy It's almost a formality at this point, I think the number of times electors have flipped like that can be counted on one hand but it is technically possible.
@MeBigbrain @beardalaxy
It's never happened in any case where they'd be decisive. Also electors aren't allowed by state law to go rogue in 38 states plus DC. But the 12 states in which there are no faithless elector laws are mostly red and swing states, with New Jersey being the only solidly blue state on that list. So that's definitely something where sufficiently motivated glowies could employ underhanded tactics.
It's never happened in any case where they'd be decisive. Also electors aren't allowed by state law to go rogue in 38 states plus DC. But the 12 states in which there are no faithless elector laws are mostly red and swing states, with New Jersey being the only solidly blue state on that list. So that's definitely something where sufficiently motivated glowies could employ underhanded tactics.
@MeBigbrain @beardalaxy
https://fairvote.org/resources/presidential-elections/
90 times for president, 75 times for VP.
https://fairvote.org/resources/presidential-elections/
90 times for president, 75 times for VP.
@ArdainianRight i don't know if there is any actual benefit to a system like that. seems like it's way too easy to cheese.
@beardalaxy
I just have a feeling it'll wind up mattering this year where it hasn't at any point before. It seems like the kind of obvious dumb loophole that always comes back to bite you in the worst possible moment.
I just have a feeling it'll wind up mattering this year where it hasn't at any point before. It seems like the kind of obvious dumb loophole that always comes back to bite you in the worst possible moment.
@beardalaxy
All I'm saying is that if the universe were a simulation written by JK Rowling, the faithless elector thing would absolutely be mentioned off-hand in the first book before inevitably becoming a core plot point in the last one.
All I'm saying is that if the universe were a simulation written by JK Rowling, the faithless elector thing would absolutely be mentioned off-hand in the first book before inevitably becoming a core plot point in the last one.
@ArdainianRight @beardalaxy I always liked that about the older Harry Potter books, made re-reading them years later a lot more interesting. I'm glad J. K. Rowing got her redemption arc, thanks to the trannyfags.
The election everyone votes in determines whose electors get to decide the President. There are so many electors for both the GOP and Dem side for each state. So if one of the members of the GOP slate who gets appointed flips, that vote would go to Kamala.