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@beardalaxy I think it's important to point out that lolicon is banned in the U.K. (where this case occured) as CSAM, so, ironically, if it was legalized/decriminalized, then maybe this person wouldn't have done what they did...
@bajax @Aldo2 i generally think that loli can help people cope with attractions BUT there is a big problem with people basically driving each other deeper in the loli community in certain spaces it seems, so you still have to go about it in a healthy way otherwise it won't go well. that's why it's important for lolicons to have a good antibody response when they see that type of shit and i don't see that enough.
another use case for loli as a coping mechanism i've seen is for people who have been abused. i don't really know the psychology behind it or anything but yeah.
You're trying to gatekeep an attraction, which never works.
@Aldo2 that's not what i'm doing at all, you're just projecting your own attraction onto what i'm trying to say. i'm talking about the people who go into lolisho communities and shit up the place with their signal ID asking people to trade and caption art with MAP edits. i'm talking about the people who go in there and advocate for abusing kids. it's social engineering shit and people have to stand up to it. it's a lot like the lgbt community ending up where it is now with the general sentiment seeming to be that it is totally fine for kids to transition (puberty blockers et al). that didn't just start from nowhere, it started from sick people who drove other people to be sick just like them and nobody stood up to it.
@beardalaxy sorry, you're not saying you're an antibody, you're just saying people need to have "antibody responses", which is practically the same thing when talking about society writ large (or "lolicon society" if that's even a thing).
And why are you against people putting a MAP flag in loli porn?
No different to loli hentai I've seen where you get gems like "I love being a pedo" etc...
@Aldo2 because map flags are tied to propaganda faggot identity politics shit and i've never seen someone using one that i would actually enjoy the company of. it's not just the mere presence of the flag, though, there are usually other things where it's like "imagine if this was a real kid" that tie it into real-life territory that i find in extremely bad taste. i've seen tracings/drawings of real kids with that kind of shit on it too and that's actually part of why we had to lock down this instance years ago. so yeah, not really too fond of people like that.
> Propaganda faggot identity politics
And being a "lolicon" is somehow not "faggot identity politics"?
LOL
"I've never seen someone using one that i would actually enjoy the company of"
You again bring up your own personal preference and then project that onto the whole "lolicon community".
Lol
It is fantasy.
> "Imagine if"
> "Bad taste"
Not every "taste" is the same as yours. Again, you don't run the "lolicon world".
Yeah, I've seen the same things. Those are clearly bad-actors, but you're acting like everyone who leaves any comment similar to those or anyone posting a MAP flag in loli porn is the same as them.
Mate, you act like you've never been on AtF, the literal database of all loli porn on the internet...
@Aldo2 i have been on atf i hate it there it's a shitshow
@beardalaxy lol
That's where all the internet lolicons worth anything are. Even the lolicon artists themselves are there, talking with their fans.
And they're certainly more at peace with their attractions than you appear to be.
@Aldo2 who said i give a fuck about being "worth anything" lmao
and there are plenty of lolicons who are "worth anything" who aren't on there who don't like it much either. there are a fuck ton of artists who don't go there and just have there stuff reposted there. i don't like the culture of that place at all.
@beardalaxy I think you're overstating.
Those "artists" are probably shit-tier.
But then again, that might just be MY preference.
To each their own.
The only issue then is, you want to ostracize one group entirely, whereas the other just wants to be left alone to like what they like and don't want to do the same to your group.
@Aldo2 alphonse (also known as ra_lilium and white datura)
alkemanubis
born-to-die
muk
none of them are on atf and they are all absolutely legendary loli artists.
Lol Alphonse is on AtF.
Muk as well.
Born-to-die as well.
Alkemanubis as well.
You literally lied.
At least 2 of those artists also do borderline pedo-propaganda in their work.
Cringe.
@beardalaxy or do you mean they're "not on AtF" like the artist isn't there?
Either way, their art is on there, which was the point I was making, and their social media accounts are listed for people to interact with, even if they don't have an Atf account.
Everyone uses Pixiv, but you were saying you hate to use Pixiv for the same sorts of reasons you most likely hate to use AtF, so again, it makes no sense.
@Aldo2 alright well i've got better things to do with my day now but it was fun arguing with the town drunk for a bit
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@beardalaxy they don't even show up on Hitomi lol
@Aldo2 so do you think that a community shouldn't try to routinely btfo feds and other bad actors? whether they're feds or genuine doesn't matter, it's the integrity of the community and making sure those things don't propagate and become genuine.
@beardalaxy feds and bad actors? Yeah.
Your definition of "bad actor" is any MAP whatsoever or even a person who just says they have pedophilic tendencies for viewing a loli hentai where the guy in the cartoon says he's a pedo.
"It's the integrity of the community"
And you said you aren't gatekeeping...
Beard, you aren't the King of the lolicon world...
Cringe response, tbh.
@beardalaxy OK, whatever floats your boat compadre...
@Aldo2 learn to read dumbass
@beardalaxy I did read your post. It wasn't hard.
My point(s) still stand.
@beardalaxy you literally said that lolicons have to act as "antibodies" to prevent people "going deeper"
That is textbook gatekeeping my boi.
Did it ever occur to you that the people putting "trade" in comments are.....You know....Federal agents trying to entrap people?
Mate, you think having a consensual relationship with a 15 year old is "abuse".
"Social engineering shit" says the person saying he's an "antibody".
"It's like the LGBT community ending up where it is now"
Yeah, and "gays against groomers" are doing the gatekeeping of their own haha
"Sick people" yeah, people who just aren't you.