When Charlie Kirk started leaving the plantation he became wildly dangerous to Jews. They cut their losses and now try to portray his death as leftist violence.
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@irie to me it doesn't matter if they are trying to portray it as leftist violence or if it was leftist violence. the outcome of the left cheering it on is still the same and that is the worst part for what it means beyond just charlie kirk's death itself.

@beardalaxy yes that aspect is true, and current leftism must finally be recognized as a mass radical and extremist movement; at the same time the Israel angle must not be ignored either. Both things can be important
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@irie Personally I don't think Israel is involved anyway. There are wackjobs out there who are clearly mentally unstable and they're egged on by a culture that enables it. That is very easy to see. If you want to dig deep, you might be able to theorize that it's Israel or Jews or whatever the fuck that planted the seeds for it to get to this point, forever ago, but I don't think they were involved in this directly. To believe otherwise requires some pretty big leaps I think.

I can absolutely see some weird fucked up Mormon who was brainwashed as a child and doesn't know how to think for himself getting involved with an unsavory group of people online through an unmitigated porn addiction within one of the worst online communities ending up doing something like this. That's far more grounded in reality and, to me, far scarier than some 4D chess plot from a foreign nation.

@beardalaxy both angles can be true at the same time though. And Israeli involvement doesn't require many variables either, they had an incentive, a motive, the means to make it happen (establish conditions, find pawn) and a history of using terrorism and violence for their ends.
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