@beardalaxy :shrug2: Even the true ending for Silent Hill F is not her actually marrying the dude, it's her "taking her time", which is everything wrong with women nowadays, I'm not sure how you can't see how it's feminist.

@Immahnoob everyone saying this is missing some extremely key points.

the girl "taking her time" exists in the same body as the girl wanting to devote herself to kotoyuki, the man she was going to be married to in an arranged marriage. the same girl who defended kotoyuki just wanting to be together with her and be happy.

this "taking her time" is not the modern day equivalent of "taking her time." hinako was going to go into a forced marriage because her dad had debts he needed to pay off, and is legitimately scared about getting married due to everything she's seen with her own parents + how she was treated in 1960s JAPAN as a tomboy instead of a little perfect princess.

kotoyuki comes to the realization that, although he is extremely passionate for hinako, they barely actually know each other. they both agree that they need to wait a bit longer before marrying and they begin actually getting to know each other first.

hinako straight up tells kotoyuki "if the love you have for us was real, then i hope we can meet again. we'll think it through, slowly and carefully. we'll have our answer ready."

on top of all of this, if you want to go with the interpretation that the spiritual parts are far more real and not just hallucinated, which as far as i can tell so far the game leaves pretty vague, there is an ancient "spell" that causes kotoyuki to be extremely invested in hinako. he says that he wants to make sure his love for her is actually real and not just some spell binding them. reminds me a little bit of the witcher with yennefer and geralt actually.

the more "hallucination" interpretation of this would be that the "spell" is his strict mother (which is a whole other aspect of this story) and hinako's parents both trying to get them married, and that pressure to do so is hastening the pace so it feels like a spell has been cast.

people are looking at this game through way too much of a modern day political lens, absolutely brain rotted by other actually woke games. there is so much focus on hinako being some girlboss or something like that without taking *any* of the extra context in.

i don't know if people just have not gone through anything even remotely similar to what hinako has and so they just don't get it, or they are lacking something that lets them empathize with the character, or if they do empathize with the character and are just distancing themselves, or what. i'm sure the vast majority of people talking about it haven't played the game, haven't dove into the story as was intended by the writer, and are probably just being reactionary as a defense mechanism. youtubers doing it are probably just ragebaiting, whether they know it or not.

@beardalaxy >everyone saying this is missing some extremely key points.

>the girl "taking her time" exists in the same body as the girl wanting to devote herself to kotoyuki, the man she was going to be married to in an arranged marriage. the same girl who defended kotoyuki just wanting to be together with her and be happy.

All these "key points" you're describing don't help in any way when the game is portraying tradition poorly. There are two layers of problems here, first, it's the message being sent by the game, which is basically shitting on tradition and instead posing the modern view of how things should be as the better option. You talk further down about what she and Kotoyuki talk about and what decision they take.

The second one is that for the above to be true, they seem to forget how men and women work.

Beyond being a garbage game that shits on what SIlent Hill is supposed to be as well.

>this "taking her time" is not the modern day equivalent of "taking her time." hinako was going to go into a forced marriage because her dad had debts he needed to pay off, and is legitimately scared about getting married due to everything she's seen with her own parents + how she was treated in 1960s JAPAN as a tomboy instead of a little perfect princess.

And yet, Kotoyuki is rich, handsome and nowhere near what her father is in terms of personality. This is such a non-point when even when her "choice" is taken away from her, she gets all that she'd want if she weren't a girlboss.

But I get it, I guess Kotoyuki is kind of a bit too soft-spoken and K-pop stans weren't a thing in the 60s, so maybe he actually isn't as "chad" as he could have been in Hinako's eyes, if only he were some imperial soldier. :laughingmerchant2:

It's even worse that with all this "abuse" and "control" that her father has on her, that somehow she actually gets away from it anyway, man, it's like uh, he wasn't a big deal after all. "Muh trauma" really is a poor excuse.

>kotoyuki comes to the realization that, although he is extremely passionate for hinako, they barely actually know each other. they both agree that they need to wait a bit longer before marrying and they begin actually getting to know each other first.

>hinako straight up tells kotoyuki "if the love you have for us was real, then i hope we can meet again. we'll think it through, slowly and carefully. we'll have our answer ready."

Yeah, I get it, you have a liberal-tinted view of relationships and of women, hence why you don't understand how stupid this sounds. This is exactly all the wishy washy modern feminist propaganda bullshit through and through. "Let's get to know each other, if you truly love me you'll let me go", a woman in her 20s says. :scorpion_lmao:

I don't feel the need to quote further because it doesn't matter if the hallucations are real or not, the premises are just plain wrong for this writing.
Obligation is only a problem to the modern era.
Women have always been hypergamous.
Relationships are built and the modern view on "love" is retarded.

And no, when I say "relationships are built", I say that even if you are to be sold for marriage, both you and your partner will be compromising and eventually you will "love" each other, it's how people stay in successful, non-abusive and happy relationships for 60 years, because there's certainly no spark after like a few years.
Does this always work? No. Are relationship better now though, more than they were back then? Lmao, no.

So yes, this is a woke game, it's not about her being a woman, it's about her being unlikeable and far too successful for what she is (a stupid modern woman in her 20s), it's also about continuing the modern trend of trying to kill marriage and trying to Disney-fy relationships and people.
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@Immahnoob "oh he is wealthy and handsome and kind and has everything she could ever want!"

like put yourself in her shoes for a second. there's a girl who is wealthy and beautiful and kind and appears to have everything you would ever want, but you barely know her outside of her professions of love for you. it is an extremely unwise choice to just immediately marry them because they are infatuated with you.

"she gets all that she'd want if she weren't a girlboss"

what she wants is to not jump into a marriage that could end up like her parents' because she doesn't even fuckin know the guy. what she wants is to still be able to be friends with everyone she knows back home unlike her sister and other women who get married and then are barely heard from again. she doesn't just want a dude who is rich and handsome, she wants a man who understands and loves her and lets her continue to be herself. and that isn't being a slut riding on cocks or some shit, she has dreams and aspirations and views marriage as a possible harm to those things, so she's gotta make sure that the guy she's getting married to isn't going to take that away from her. as a guy, you should make sure that the woman you are going to marry will respect your wishes as well. this is healthy relationship 101.

it is starting to seem to me that the people calling this game woke are pretty extreme in their views on relationships, marriage, and women and i just fundamentally disagree with them. the type of people who think women shouldn't have rights and shit.

like, if you're the type of person who thinks that women are only going to be able to build a relationship with men in an arranged marriage and should be completely subservient to their husband at all times i just wholeheartedly disagree. this seems like more of a personal problem if your reading of this game's story is "oh it's woke."

@beardalaxy >like put yourself in her shoes for a second.
>"You get a beautiful, rich and kind wife"
>mfw

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>this seems like more of a personal problem if your reading of this game's story is "oh it's woke."

I just explained it to you and your response is to ignore what I said and just bulldoze through with your bullshit. :shrug3:

Even if the woke or left wouldn't have existed in some hypothetical other timeline, I would still have found this to be propaganda all the same. The issue here can't be "interpreted", we have tradition:
1. Being portrayed purely negatively from all directions
2. Being subverted by modern ideas
3. and eventually being sidelined for modern ideas.

Or are these 3 points not true? Has there been a single positive aspect being shown about this situation? No.

Instead we have:
1. Woman "losing her identity" because of marriage (portrayed as cutting off her own arm, having her face cut, mind control, HUGE brand through fire on your back)
2. Woman, "taking her time"
3. Woman saying "women are treated like animals"
4. Woman seeing the married women as villains (Junko, mother)

Let's not forget she somehow kills everyone at her wedding in the bad ending in a drug haze, a woman in her 20s, killing several other adults all by herself, as a druggie.
@beardalaxy @Immahnoob every man would take that deal in a heartbeat if they had an arranged marriage with a

>beautiful wealthy kind woman who says she loves you
guys would still work a job or use a lot of their time to get to know the woman
@zeroraining107 @beardalaxy @Immahnoob even just 2 out of 4 of those is better than what the dating marked and all its stress, costs and degradation would be likely to ever offer you.
@beardalaxy @Immahnoob >like put yourself in her shoes for a second. there's a girl who is wealthy and beautiful and kind and appears to have everything you would ever want, but you barely know her outside of her professions of love for you. it is an extremely unwise choice to just immediately marry them because they are infatuated with you.

Assuming divorce rape isn't a concern (which it isn't for women, at least not until very recently), I think an overwhelming majority of men on our side of Fedi would take that deal.
@ChristiJunior @beardalaxy @Immahnoob I would. Course I'd have to test her at least once. Leave a Tamamo miko cosplay costume on her bed and see if she gets the hint.
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