@histoire3 i have to get some work done on those teeth too, because when i was a teen i really didn't take care of my teeth at all and i've just been basically staving off the inevitable for the past 10 years. the dentist won't work on those teeth unless i get the retainer off though so i have to get it off, pay for the dental work, then get a new retainer which costs even more money.... and by then they'll probably have shifted a bit anyway. kind of just gotta go with the flow i guess.