@Aldo2 @carlosruzu "Statutory rape" is okay. It's a legal (a statute) not a moral concept. Make it not illegal and it stops existing
Even if you want to argue that it's a good general policy, that's separate from it being categorically immoral
Even if it was a good baseline, it's never black and white, you get exceptions, so unless you want to NPC brain and go "breaking the law is immoral", there's no legitimate case to call it immoral
@applejack @Aldo2 statutory rape isn't just "ok", it very much varies. At best, it can be ok if you found someone able to conceive the idea of consent, but there's no verifiable way to find that out about someone below the age of consent. You want the benefits of being like "it's a murky water" without dealing with the consequences of cleaning it out. The point of concepts like consent and statutory rape is provide as many societal gatekeeps to sexual abuse without being overly retarded about it. You can't dismiss statutory rape without trying to find another to confirm this person, possibly 12 year old as you yourself implied, can consent. Otherwise it's still clearly something we still need
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 >conceive the idea of consent
People know the concept of "yes" and "no" even before they can talk. Sex as a concept and it's consequences aren't difficult either
>there's no verifiable way to find that out about someone below the age of consent
If there's no metric for it, by what measure did anyone decide what the AOC should be in the first place?
@applejack @Aldo2 >People know the concept of "yes" and "no" even before they can talk. Sex as a concept and it's consequences aren't difficult either
By this logic, it's perfectly ok to advance on and fuck a blackout drunk woman. Explain further
>If there's no metric for it, by what measure did anyone decide what the AOC should be in the first place?
Generally an age of which it was common for people to start being curious and trying sexual interactions out willingly. Main reason why I'm not the most erratic, although not completely supportive, of a aoc around 16, because by that point, it's common you're starting to try and do shit yourself. There's an argument to be made you don't quite know the full effects of what you're doing so it's still murky but we know by this point that it's not abnormal for a 16 year old to have sexual wants
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 Yeah, I'd say that's "fine". If she willingly gets drunk in a public setting and then willingly says yes, that's her responsibility. Make your bed and lie in it
That's made up. You know full well people didn't start getting sexual at 18. You should know that's bullshit
In 1880 in the US it was 7-12 too, puberty age, and that wasn't the reason it was raised
>you don't quite know the full effects of what you're doing
Nobody knows what they're doing, and some people much less than others. Look at blacks where 70% of children are born out of wedlock and half of black women have herpes
It makes 20x more sense to restrict them than 15yo Whites that want to start families
@applejack @Aldo2 first, could you please explain why her consent counts? Is there any situation by your standards that counts as rape? Also, saying "no one knows everything" is a dog shit excuse. Massive leap in judgement to compare something like even wedlock to pedophilia to the point where you had to make it sound like you're talking about 2 fifteen year olds, when you know my concern is about specifically an adult and a child fucking
@applejack @Aldo2 ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 15 and 20 is pretty far imo but I'll say it like this, there's nothing wrong with people within 3 years of each other's age range being into each other like that.
@applejack @Aldo2 also the difference in those decisions is that the lack of knowledge isn't due to a lack of maturity on the subject, it's due to ignorance on their part. If you are reasonably able to consent to something and you do, that doesn't get voided in retrospect because you dislike the effect it had
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 Yeah, it's rape if you say "no"
>Also, saying "no one knows everything"
I didn't say that. We were talking about sexual consequences so I showed a case where people are worse at making decisions
Ye, I meant something like a 15yo and a 20yo. That's normal (evolutionarily) and healthy