@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @Aldo2 @applejack >How do you know when a kid can make his own bowl of cereal for breakfast?

while you're waiting for them to be old enough to do that, you can choose to bring them around you and show them how you make a bowl of cereal. Once they are for sure old enough to actually be able to make their own breakfast, you help them out the first few times with making breakfast before allowing them to go on there own. Most of this can probs apply to sexuality, ofc most of it relying on verbal communication and not just, well, acutally doing it because I hope we can at least agree that incest is unhealthy.

>You can ascertain their comprehension well enough by having them explain thinfs back to you, same as every other subject they study in school. At what point, exactly, do you know that a child can perform addition and multiplication? AFTER theyve been taught, theyve practiced, and they are able to infer new results aside from rote memorization.

Yeah we could benefit from better convos from parent to child about sexual education and what not. Even then, you can't really just simply expect explaining something thats as subjective and explorative as sexuality to be able to be explained as easily as math. You want to be able to give that child some choice and as such, you want to wait until they've developed a bit of an identity and started being comfortable with their body during puberty, whenever that is, before you have those convos.

>Once you educate and start treating kids as responsible adults - giving them the freedom to make their choices and holding them accountable to consequences, and actually respecting them for the sentient beings they are - they mature real quickly, and tend to grow up more mentally and emotionally stable (and not so dumb in terms of decision making).

You're boiling down relationship compatibility, sexuality exploration, etc. into "we can educate people on this and they will be able to quickly get into this" sure the basics like informed consent and what not are good for explanation but you won't be able to cover everything and shouldn't go in with that explanation. Also like you said, people mature differently. Some go fast, as people fucking in high school can show, but some are slow, I myself am a very reserved person. The point of a convo on sexual education from parent to child is to explain the basics to set them up to explore them on their own, with the age of consent being there as a guideline for when this process should be done.

>Forget the obsession for defining things by a "when" or age. Thats arbitrary, derived, and completely inaccurate considering the fact that everyone develops, physically, mentally, and emotionally, at different rates. Instead of insisting on a broken bubble to wrap around inaccurate categorizations, fucking judge instances situationally.

Its literally impossible for the government to go through every adult child relationship and try to determine "hmmmm is the child able to consent for this scenario". The point of the AoC isn't "this is when everyone can consent"; its "by this age, people should know how to consent"

>If an incident occurs, it and one party was not able to clearly consent or be able to explain in court what they were consenting to and the likely consequences, then obviously theres a problem and probably a crime to deal with, bc now you have a victim.
If the kid can tell a judge or other official, counselor, whatever, that they willingly indulged in sexual activities with a particular person, and that they were aware of consequences and fully cognizant at the time the decision to consent was made, then there probably isnt a crime.

It's easy to lie about this however, especially considering that namely people around the age of 12 can be easily manipulated by people above 18, namely late 20 year olds, especially considering that during puberty you are experience random influxes of hormones that really add onto why a child may not want to seem like they were co erced into the act. Even you yourself show that you aren't completely sure on how we would handle this with words like "propably", which is just not really applicable for the law as laws in society have to be a set standard.

>This isn't half as difficult or complicated as everyone wants it to be. It only gets muddled up because youve got all these biases and social stigmas and bs laws in place disambiguating what is actually a problem and what is not.

its muddied up because the whole spectrum of sexualities that can anyone can fall into depending on their sexual urge (which itself can vary based on homosexuality vs heterosexuality, comfortability with other sexualities, comfortability with genetelia, etc) and consent.
Along with that, just because a law doesn't directly address a specific issue doesn't mean it doesn't help in other ways. AoC again doesn't directly prevent abuse as we see, but it does give a guideline as to when we can reasonably expect everyone to be able to consent. Just because some people at 14/13/whatever are able to conceive of when to have sex, doesn't mean we should adjust laws to accomodate them, when they can wait until they are 16 /18 to actually go out and have relations with adults, meanwhile exploring themselves on their own/with their family