I thought the fediverse fork was going to happen in 2016, but at this rate it's going to happen again, with Mastodon creating a proprietary network and everybody else forming another small obscure open source alternative.

@kaikatsu "small" pleroma has in excess of 30k active users, more then enough to sustain it's momentum even if it completely defederates from masto (which is still relatively unlikely)

@devilish That's a good point, I was worried about it turning into Friendica vs. Twitter. I think we desperately need a Mastodon to Pleroma conversion script, if not solely to allow communities to jump from Gargron's Wild Ride. It really sucks to see free software be co-opted like this though.

@kaikatsu It's being worked on

@devilish @kaikatsu well with the litepub thing going on who knows what will happen. i hope mastodon embraces it as it gets hammered out and starts being implemented, but if it doesn't, that's going to be awkward af and i'd probably consider switching w.l off masto somehow

@anna @kaikatsu Just between you and me, I know a lot of mastos are clamoring for the same thing. And after seeing the success of the GS migration scripts, I'm quite optimistic to say the least

@devilish @kaikatsu like im not in the anti-eugen club at all and i have more issues with pleroma than i do mastodon re: some of the development processes but i am a huge stickler for being very upset about activitypub being designed by cishet white dudes who didn't think about security or privacy at all and my ultimate loyalty lies with whatever best fixes how leaky activitypub is

@anna @devilish I think the Pleroma dev team is far from professional (openly transphobic jokes from lain) but when it comes down to Mastodon having countless security flaws and an awful development path versus Pleroma being a bit edgy but professionally developed, I'll take the latter. The more it's used the better the community will be anyway.

@kaikatsu @devilish lain being... heavily involved with gnu/smug is kind of An Issue and one that makes me :sus_af: about whether the attempts to turn around pleroma's reputation can even be successful

like the fact that pleroma was birthed on the fucking gamergate github clone and still has a core of pretty... well you know the type of instances, like well, gnu/smug for huge starters... is a fuck of a lot to make up for

@anna @kaikatsu @devilish

Someone please convey to @anna that

:hacker_l::hacker_a::hacker_i::hacker_n:
:hacker_d::hacker_i::hacker_d:
:hacker_n::hacker_o::hacker_t::hacker_h::hacker_i::hacker_n::hacker_g:
:hacker_w::hacker_r::hacker_o::hacker_n::hacker_g:

And Pleroma has nothing to "make up for".