@matrix@gameliberty.club To put a further point on it.

The LGBT community spent decades saying that being gay or trans was a "hardware" issue. Something in the brain chemistry makes you that way. So its not something that lgbt people can control, its just the way they are.

Then tucutes show up and INSIST that its just a software thing and always was. Gender has no basis outside of the most base physical aspects. If that were true then the very concept of gender dysphoria doesn't make sense -- the ideas they are talking about are completely mutually exclusive.

Its either a hardware issue -- like being gay -- as actual gender dysphoric people say, or its software issue and just some fun thing lgbt do. Well by their own logic, if gender and sexuality are a decision that implies that prejudice against these behaviours is at least justified in that its an issue that gays and tranners could correct, but just don't.

It opens a whole bag of worms. So my point is, they suck and need to fuck off.

@shebang @matrix It's learned behavior. The one thing that gay men have in common more than anything else is being molested by a gay man as a child.

@shebang @matrix only if you equate sex with gender. it would be more accurate to say that sex dysphoria exists prior to the concept of gender, and one's gender is largely dependent on culture. for example, transsexuals who are seen as a third gender in india and thailand, and how trans women in japan are seen as men before srs (this used to be the common view in the west until recently). the fact that people disagree on the issue of gender identity in the first place shows that it isn't some scientific law. the idea of "woman" is (imperfectly) constructed from the physical reality, not the other way around.

@qulielfi@husk.site @matrix@gameliberty.club

Utter rubbish.

"3rd gender" is merely what transsexual people were called because the science caught up to the fact that someones things go wrong during development which creates a transsexual -- not a mythical "3rd gender". These are pre-science understandings of whats going on, nothing more.

How Japan decides to treat its transsexuals isn't relevant to the concept of gender, its merely that in this case Japan is being conservative -- as the west once did.

There is very much a scientific understanding of sex and gender, and studies about neurons and brain chemicals easily demonstrate that these aren't just "made up" things, but things that can indeed be examined under a microscope.

The fact that people disagree on the issue of gender identify means no more than the fact that some people disagree on the "round earth theory".

@shebang @matrix the institutions of your precious "science" (as if that was some unified worldview) have now almost unanimously decided that one doesn't need dysphoria to transition, so perhaps you should not be so eager to outsource your metaphysical views to them.

the only thing researchers have found is a size difference in a region of the brain that is correlated with dysphoria. this has found no practical use so far, there is no way to change it and it isn't used to diagnose people in the first place. "there's something in your brain that causes it" helps me about as much as "the gods did it". saying that other cultures have a "pre-science" understanding implies that our western understanding has somehow changed the underlying truth.

i think misgendering someone is rude, but i don't think it's equivalent to saying the earth is flat. until we can completely change someone's physical sex i predict it will remain a contentious issue in the west, not completely unfounded considering the many layers of ideological misdirection that currently surround the subject. what makes people change their mind is empathy, not the cries of "science" that they themselves parrot.

You should look up what the DSM-5 actually says. It's pretty clear that gender dysphoria requires distress.

Funny though, that you discount the hard science of neurology as "precious science" but regard the soft science of psychology as absolute. You might also want to look at just who wrote the DSM-5, it includes at least one pretty villainous character. Let's see if you can find him. If you've actually studied the subject as much as you are pretending to have, you'll spot them pretty quickly.

The neurology is not just used to diagnose g/D for obvious reasons, but as I've stated elsewhere in this thread, it legitimizes the condition of real transsexuals. It proves its not just some fetish or attention seeking ploy like it is for the tucutes. It proves it to insurance companies that real transsexuals need to get funding for their treatment.

The gross people like you want to make a mockery of our condition, you piss on our graves. Damn you for that. I don't know how you sleep at night, knowing that you mock us, wear our condition as a costume. Vile.

@shebang @qulielfi What's your educational background, just out of curiosity?

@yuri @shebang

Surely it must be hard science. You can't really do it if your science is soft.

@qulielfi