@matrix God says you are damned to eternal pain and suffering
@applejack @kakol @matrix
Psalms 50:21
“These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.”
You dumb faggot are full of shit. God is not a degenerate like you, quoting some verse out of context to support your twisted view is sickening.
Numbers 31
14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Verse 18 is talking about orphan girls, their parents were degenerates and God gave them the death sentence.
And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
2And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
3And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
"keep alive for yourselves." doesn't mean rape and abuse and do whatever you want to them you twisted faggot. strangers are protected by the law of God.
Exodus 12:48
“And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.”
Leviticus 19:33
“And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.”
Leviticus 19:34
“But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”
Marrying a prepubescent girl is not endorsed by the bible, she must have hit puberty and be on her period before you can marry her, and that's a requirement not optional.
1 Corinthians 7:36
“But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.”
Psalms 50:21
“These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.”
You dumb faggot are full of shit. God is not a degenerate like you, quoting some verse out of context to support your twisted view is sickening.
Numbers 31
14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Verse 18 is talking about orphan girls, their parents were degenerates and God gave them the death sentence.
And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.
2And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods.
3And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
"keep alive for yourselves." doesn't mean rape and abuse and do whatever you want to them you twisted faggot. strangers are protected by the law of God.
Exodus 12:48
“And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.”
Leviticus 19:33
“And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.”
Leviticus 19:34
“But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”
Marrying a prepubescent girl is not endorsed by the bible, she must have hit puberty and be on her period before you can marry her, and that's a requirement not optional.
1 Corinthians 7:36
“But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.”
@John_the_Baptist @applejack @kakol @matrix
Matthew 18:6 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew 18:6 But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
@PengusKhan @matrix @kakol @John_the_Baptist It expressly says it's not a sin
@applejack @matrix @kakol @John_the_Baptist rape is a sin. Premarital sex is a sin. Causing a child to sin IS a sin. You're a degenerate and I would go to prison over you gladly because you deserve to die.
@PengusKhan @matrix @kakol @John_the_Baptist Ye, which is why they married them and had consensual sex. Duh
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-child-marriage-in-ancient-israelite-times-paedophilia/
>and I would go to prison over you gladly because you deserve to die
You're either a fat loser or some twig arm sperg 😴, either way, pic related
@matrix Sexual maturity says nothing of the morality of sex, though.
@Sudononymous @matrix AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
@matrix how does that troll the fascist? Fascists have no problem with forbidding things that "desirable" but harmful.
@PonyPanda @matrix because fascists/natsocs base their politics around moral absolutism, yet believe in no god so they defer to other means to prove their values. pointing out that it's difficult or outright impossible to discern truths causes cognitive dissonance.
@ew That’s just it though. The fascist logic is that pedophilia is immoral (it is) and not that it’s “not enjoyable.”
That comic implies that the fascist is upset that a truth he doesn’t necessarily hold is false.
You could bring up the same science to say that indolence is pleasant, sugary foods are yummy and drugs make you feel good. The fascist will agree with you on all of those things but that’s not why he’d make them forbidden. @matrix
@PonyPanda @matrix you are conflating the state and the useful idiot, which specifically are you talking about here? the state will outlaw whatever it feels like in order to maintain power. the useful idiot will delude its world view into whatever is aligned with the state.
@ew
So who is the fashy-wojak meant to represent? Is this comic a "dunk" on the millions of angry extremely young men involved in meme culture turning to fascism? Or is it a dunk on those existing fascist state officials out there who look at internet memes with five levels of meta to them?
If it were toward the latter... boy would I feel silly. There are loads of openly fascist state officials out there reading memes who feel strongly about pedophilia being unattractive. How could I have been so dumb?
@matrix
So who is the fashy-wojak meant to represent? Is this comic a "dunk" on the millions of angry extremely young men involved in meme culture turning to fascism? Or is it a dunk on those existing fascist state officials out there who look at internet memes with five levels of meta to them?
If it were toward the latter... boy would I feel silly. There are loads of openly fascist state officials out there reading memes who feel strongly about pedophilia being unattractive. How could I have been so dumb?
@matrix
@PonyPanda @matrix well obviously the former but the state officials are useful idiots too. officials get murdered all the time in the CCP over power struggles. maybe I'm not understanding your point correctly, but I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that fascists have some sort of moral code about pedophilia, or about anything. the morality of the state is whatever benefits it at the time. agents of the state follow in lockstep. look at weimar republic after ww1 where many men had died and there was a surplus of women. with hyper-inflation the main way women would survive would be through sex work, typically mom and (child) daughter teams. this was reflected in the art of the weimar period.
@PonyPanda @matrix I don't know what your point is either, let's leave it at that
@ew
The Weimar republic was a degenerate puppet state of international Jews. It was patient zero of neoliberal austerity measures imposed on countries the zionist banking cartel dislikes.
The Nazis got elected into power and reversed Germany's debt bondage and enforced moral standards that reflected the values of the German people.
You're claiming that fascists have no real morals. That they exist only to wield power and paying lipservice to morality is how they attain it. Then why didn't they just go along with the Weimar republic and rule Germany as "governor-generals?"
@matrix
The Weimar republic was a degenerate puppet state of international Jews. It was patient zero of neoliberal austerity measures imposed on countries the zionist banking cartel dislikes.
The Nazis got elected into power and reversed Germany's debt bondage and enforced moral standards that reflected the values of the German people.
You're claiming that fascists have no real morals. That they exist only to wield power and paying lipservice to morality is how they attain it. Then why didn't they just go along with the Weimar republic and rule Germany as "governor-generals?"
@matrix
@PonyPanda @ew @matrix If any ideology "has no morals" and seeks only to wield power, it's neoliberalism. Fascism is simply putting one's own people above international capitalism.
@Mote @PonyPanda @ew @matrix nah neoliberalism has its own set of morals. I find them gross, but they do exist. Tbh I'm not sure there can be an amoral politic, because the use of force for the alteration of the future is an inherently moral action
@Mote
I agree. I'm trying to work out what @ew is getting at with his critique of fascism.
There are many things you could hold against fascism. But this claim that it has no morals and this idea that fascists have to lie about something being undesirable in order to quell it is silly. Even the most cartoony portrayal of fascism implies that fascists don't give a shit if something is desirable or not. They'll use force to eliminate it and not gaslighting.
All I'm doing is questioning the logic of the cartoon in OP and this lolbert comes out of nowhere to trash the fash.
@matrix
I agree. I'm trying to work out what @ew is getting at with his critique of fascism.
There are many things you could hold against fascism. But this claim that it has no morals and this idea that fascists have to lie about something being undesirable in order to quell it is silly. Even the most cartoony portrayal of fascism implies that fascists don't give a shit if something is desirable or not. They'll use force to eliminate it and not gaslighting.
All I'm doing is questioning the logic of the cartoon in OP and this lolbert comes out of nowhere to trash the fash.
@matrix
@PonyPanda @ew @matrix Most critiques of fascism are in bad faith. There's some strawman of National Socialist Germany that's brought up and then there's a preemption that the person defending fascism is themselves acting in bad faith.
@Mote
I'm trying not to bring up Germany nor any specific explicit Third Position regimes nor any regimes that are being mischaracterized as "fascist." There are two cringey directions this thread has gone with fascism supposedly being at loggerheads with religion (Integralism, Peronist Argentina and explicit claims from Hitler on the Christian nature of NS would disagree) the other cringey one is the faggot kike lying about China because China is the biggest threat to the neoliberal order and kikes can't stand it.
@ew @matrix
I'm trying not to bring up Germany nor any specific explicit Third Position regimes nor any regimes that are being mischaracterized as "fascist." There are two cringey directions this thread has gone with fascism supposedly being at loggerheads with religion (Integralism, Peronist Argentina and explicit claims from Hitler on the Christian nature of NS would disagree) the other cringey one is the faggot kike lying about China because China is the biggest threat to the neoliberal order and kikes can't stand it.
@ew @matrix
@Mote @PonyPanda @matrix that's they tell you, is it true? china claims they are communist, but it's clearly just corrupt authoritarianism.
@QueenoftheDeepRealm
That's one way of thinking of it. Weimar Germany was patient zero. America, the metropol of the modern empire is now the latest patient. But you can see that in between, many countries have suffered this same problem.
@ew @matrix
That's one way of thinking of it. Weimar Germany was patient zero. America, the metropol of the modern empire is now the latest patient. But you can see that in between, many countries have suffered this same problem.
@ew @matrix
@PonyPanda @matrix "why didn't they go along with the clearly failing regime and instead aligned themselves with the desires of the public which allowed for them to gain power" because they weren't stupid and most had IQs of 130.
@PonyPanda @matrix question. how do you feel about masks mandates, vaccine passports, the removal of dissenters through censorship, etc? the people want these things.
@ew @PonyPanda @matrix do you have some anonymous survey results to verify that's the case? I'd be curious about how many people actually feel that way
@Binkle @PonyPanda @matrix is that what it would take to have self-introspection about fascism just being typical tribal conflict with no other substance? and that the only time people support fascism is when it's /their/ fascism.
https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/12/21/biden-trump-covid19-coronavirus-pandemic-mask-vaccine/
https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2020/12/21/biden-trump-covid19-coronavirus-pandemic-mask-vaccine/
@ew @PonyPanda @matrix I have no interest in your argument about fascism with those other people - I just noticed your comment on the world timeline and I wanted to see if there was related data so I can make up my own mind about my own ideas about the world.
@ew @PonyPanda @matrix having gone directly to The Harris Poll's website, I'm not particularly impressed with the source of the online survey statnews.com is reporting on. That does not strike me as an unbiased source, which makes me suspect there could be some sampling bias associated with it. On the other hand, unbiased sources are hard to come by these days, so maybe that does genuinely reflect public opinion and it's only my own biases preventing me from seeing that. Ultimately that drifts towards solipsism though and I can't operate my life on the assumption my own biases prevent me from seeing the world clearly.
@Binkle @PonyPanda @matrix ultimately it's easier just to look at group behavior. if covid was truly dangerous people wouldn't be going outside and when they did they would be wearing full gas mask kits. if they truly cared about mask mandates encroaching on their liberties they would be engaging in mass civil disobedience.
@ew @PonyPanda @matrix that's fair, I suppose. Although I suspect the level of disobedience is dependent upon region/population-group, and extrapolating from personal experience doesn't generalize. For example I've noticed there's a lot more disobedience in the conservative midwest as compared to the pacific northwest, that there's a trend in my area of women wearing masks while their boyfriend/husband does not, and white Americans (for whom masking has not been culturally inculcated) being less likely to wear masks as compared to asian Americans.
@Binkle @PonyPanda @matrix imo trying to actually discern what is true is a waste of time and a distraction, and it's better off being used as part of a one-man dialectic
@ew @PonyPanda @matrix agreed. Humans were built for the localized subjective experiences of daily life. We're not really adapted for relentless truth-seeking (except maybe the autists).
I guess the real question is, why are either of us even arguing in this hell-thread?
I guess the real question is, why are either of us even arguing in this hell-thread?
@PonyPanda @matrix It is not scientifically accurate. Not sure why no one called that out.
@matrix guaranteed replies
@matrix Doesn't mean they are ready mentally.
@matrix IQ is a measure of an individual's educational advancement compared to the national average, not intelligence. All science says on the subject is that different races get treated differently by society and that has an effect on the quality of their education. I'm fine with the sexual maturity argument, but please stop repeating dumbshit neo-nazi pseudo-science to make it.
@dogknot In what school year did you learn which square fits where?
@matrix I'm not interested in sophistry. IQ doesn't measure intellect. It simply compares educational readiness with the national average, which is always set to 100. Fun fact, since the average is always readjusted to 100, the fact that US kids today would be scoring somewhere around 140 on the 1980 scale gets lost in the noise, as does the fact that every race of US children scores higher today than the 1980 average. Why? Education today is better than in 1980. IQ does not measure intellect.
@matrix Correct answer: A and C, since B is a Nazi which is never OK.
