@freemo While that certainly plays a role, the difference is so big and not seen among other poor people that it isn't a good explanation.
The biggest contributor is in my opinion fatherlessness.

@matrix @freemo it’s high testosterone & low impulse control. It’s literally genetic. It’s in their nature & it can not be helped by anything. R/K strategy somewhat helps to understand racial differences.

@JoonBug @matrix @freemo
>High testosterone
Really because a lot of white people have that and aren't violent. Testosterone doesn't make you impulsive and violent.

@Myron_Gaines @freemo @matrix well of course not. But combined with low impulse control, low IQ, and other genetic/behavioral factors, you get violent negroids.

I didn’t say or imply that it’s just the high testosterone.

@Myron_Gaines @freemo @matrix from pubmed- “ Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant. Adjustment by analysis of covariance for time of sampling, age, weight, alcohol use, cigarette smoking, and use of prescription drugs somewhat reduced the differences. After these adjustments were made, blacks had a 15% higher testosterone level and a 13% higher free testosterone level.”

@matrix The thing it **is** seen among other poor people, and the correlation is actually rather high unlike what you suggest. It is just that it is only one part of a problem that includes many factors (And yes fatherlessness may be one of them). Clearly there is more than just the fact that they are poor that contributes to the issue, but that i part of it.

@freemo @matrix American blacks have more rights under the law than Whites. They are favored in college admissions, employment, all manner of housing, federal aid etc. Every aspect of American society for the last 150+ years has been dedicated to raising the state of the black man to no avail. Blacks are over represented 10-fold in American media.

I can not think of a single group on the face of the earth more coddled than the American black.

There exists no shadowy spectre of racism and white supremacy constantly looming over the mind of the black. There exists no discrimination against the black. They are unable by their very own nature to escape their state, despite the efforts of the entire Anglosphere et al since before colonization ever even began.

@vril_oreilly

"American blacks have more rights under the law than Whites."

I dont recall saying anything about who has more rights than another.

@matrix

@freemo @matrix
>living in a society that treats you unfairly
>yet blacks are legally first class citizens
HMMMMM

@vril_oreilly @freemo @matrix almost like the oppression narrative is bullshit.

@vril_oreilly

Right, cause affirmitive action makes it impossible for people to treat blacks racist.

Ironically I disagree strongly with affirmative action and do agree with you it gives blacks advantage legally. Its existence however doesn't magically make the racism of hundreds of thousands of red neck hicks evaporate.

@matrix

@freemo @vril_oreilly @matrix Rednecks hicks, who as everybody knows, have an unprecedented amount of societal power and are not in any way smeared in media and treated with any form of racism themselves.
Fuck you.

@racism_man

I never once said I was talking about systemic racism or institutionalized racism, that was your assumption. I am talking about racism as a whole.

I also never claimed that whites or red necks dont also experience racism.

Your just spewing assumptions about my position that have nothing to do with what I said.

I always find it funny how people try to take an argument, assume (usually incorrectly) that you beleive all the things the majority of people who make the same argument beleive, and then inject that into the conversation. You've already assumed, and are wrong, that just because I admit to the existance of racism and generational poverty that I must be a liberal or BLM and ascribe to all the usual talking points, which I dont.

Try assuming less and asking more.

@matrix @vril_oreilly

@freemo @matrix @vril_oreilly >Its existence however doesn't magically make the racism of hundreds of thousands of red neck hicks evaporate.
This inherently implies you believe that ruralites having a logical position on blacks is somehow a hindrance to them. That or you just think they should reject common sense and "be nice" or some gay bullshit.
Again, fuck you.
We don't have shit and we don't do shit about blacks because we would be fucked by the state for it.

@freemo @matrix america worships blacks, blacks in chicago and baltimore etc who are committing all of these murders have literally no contact with these "red neck hicks" you speak of.

@vril_oreilly

It seems clear you arent following the conversation. I already explained how direct contact is not needed. Now did I claim red neck whites constitutes the whole of those who are acting racist towards blacks.

@matrix

@freemo @matrix wealthy blacks are statistically more violent than poor whites. Blacks as a group are more violent than many poorer groups like American indians and recent hispanic immigrants. Blacks were less violent under segregation, when they were poorer. I am gobsmacked that anyone can continue to insist that blacks are violent because of poverty.

@NathanK @matrix @freemo I hear people say this, and I don't think it's false, but can someone point to the statistic that shows wealthy blacks are more violent than poor whites?

@kazcynski_stan @freemo @matrix im inferring that from this study on incarceration rates. eji.org/news/study-rich-black-kids-more-likely-incarcerated-than-poor-white-kids/

@kazcynski_stan @freemo @matrix

@kazcynski_stan @NathanK @freemo @matrix

ideally stats that are not based exclusively on rappers and oj simpson

@freemo @matrix

Maybe their propensity to commiting random senseless violence is why they find themselves in those other situations.

Is there a society where they don't exhibit this penchant for senseless violence?

@freemo @matrix

Not like they act differently in the Netherlands, you guys are just lucky to not have a lot, partially because of your racism so most of your ppl don't want them.

@freemo @matrix

> unfairly
you are correct; bussing, red lining, affirmative action, the NAACP, and all manner of preferential treatment have been extra fair to blacks and completely unfair to whites

also shut up nerd

@freemo @matrix t. Someone who doesn't have to live near any negros
Stunning and brave

@Ottovonshitpost

I live half the year in the USA (Philadelphia) and half in the Netherlands. I am exposed to plenty of blacks from my philly home, and have friends who are black living in the Netherlands as well.

Nice try I guess.

@matrix

@freemo @matrix Sorry I don't believe you at all.

@Ottovonshitpost @freemo @matrix I feel like its 1994 again "some of my best friends are black!"

@sickburnbro

Him: Hahahah you dont even have any black friends!

Me: Sure I do

You: ....

@matrix @Ottovonshitpost

@freemo @matrix @Ottovonshitpost
Yes, I'm sure you live next to thomas sowell, seems like not a bad chap.

The richest black suburb in the US has more violence than the poorest white ones.

African nations that did not experience colonization are at essentially the same levels of violence as those which did.

Blacks have been given preferential treatment for 50 years in the united states and as the discrimination against others has gotten worse, black statistics have actually deteriorated.

@freemo @sickburnbro @matrix @Ottovonshitpost I only male friends with humans, dogs and cats.

@freemo @Ottovonshitpost @matrix Niggers are stupid, violent, impulsive apes. That's why they are poor, and that's why they do crime. You are a massive faggot.

@sasquatch_gang

Welcome to mute for being a racist moron.

Thanks for playing.

@matrix @Ottovonshitpost

@freemo @sasquatch_gang @matrix Passive aggressive faggot

@freemo @sasquatch_gang @matrix @Ottovonshitpost

@freemo @Ottovonshitpost @matrix Guy, it's 2021 and you're NAXALTing, what are you doing with your life?

@freemo @matrix ever be so poor and hungry you had to rape someone?

@freemo @matrix No, niggers are violent.

@natsock

Muted for a combination of stupidity and racism while not actually even attempting to add any value to the discussion.

Thanks for playing.

@matrix

@freemo @matrix I don't care. I've seen your threads, you're like a professional retard.

@freemo Muted for muting. Get rekt, faggot.

@natsock @matrix

@freemo @matrix So why don't you put your money where your mouth is and move to St. Louis or the Bronx?

@StroopWaffen

How would that be putting my money where my mouth is? You seem to be having a real hard time with reading comprehension or something, it almost sounds likeyou think I said (which I didnt) that blacks dont make up a large portion of those committing crime? In fact since the get go I admitted that they do.

Try reading things before you post, if you already are then read them twice because you seem to be having some difficulty absorbing what you read accurately.

@matrix

@freemo I think you should move to those neighborhoods, tell all the blacks what you posted here, and try to help them out. They'd love to have your help and embrace you with open arms. Why waste your time arguing with people online when you could effect real change on the ground?

@StroopWaffen While not specific to those neighboorhoods I already do volunteer in high-crime high-black neighborhoods. They have mostly embraced me with open arms as you suggest.

@freemo You know what then, I have to admit that's fair. At least you're consistent. I wonder, what is your outlook on the long term future of these neighborhoods? Do you think they are at all responsible for their position?

@StroopWaffen There are many factors. Black communities internally certainly have things they are doing that arent helping that should be addressed. There are also outside factors that need addressing. Then there are the historic ones. Despite what either side will tell you the problem is very complex and while racism towards blacks is an element it is far from the only element at play. A lot of things need to come together from a lot of angles to improve the conditions of any culture.

The future of black communities is uncertain honestly. Internally there are people trying to make positive change, and there are externally too. But the problem is reduced by politics and being politically correct to such an extreme degree that it becomes impossible to really carve out effective solutions, our hands are tied by politically correctness as well as a rejection of the problem even existing, and many other factors. It is hard to address the internal changes blacks need to made without being called a racist, for example, as if it is blaming them for the problem. But also whites tend to refuse to address the racism they impart because at the same time they feel like it is blamming them for the problem. So nothing gets done.

If we stopped arguing about who is to blame (which is all anyone did in this thread) and focus on how to solve the problem without regard to blame we could really make some progress. But society doesnt allow this and the direction its going is farther away from this state.

So... yea, things will probably get worse before they get better when it comes to racial issues.

@freemo @StroopWaffen you typed so many words

@freemo @StroopWaffen
"It is hard to address the internal changes blacks need to made without being called a racist, for example, as if it is blaming them for the problem."

They could start by not murdering/robbing/harassing white people. Then they can move on to not killing/robbing/harassing each other, if they care.

@burner19bb

Sure, how about they stop murdering white people if white cops agree to stop suffocating blacks to death for non-violent victimless crimes? Cant have white cops choking a black dude for death, for up to 4 minutes after the dude already died and told he is dead STILL choking him, and then expect blacks to play along.

Works both ways, if you cant admit your contribution to the problem and commit to fixing it then you cant expect them to admit to their contribution or commit to fixing it. Luckily there are some people on both side who arent so naive and are trying to address both these things.

@StroopWaffen

@freemo @burner19bb @StroopWaffen Go tell that to black people then and stop lecturing white people, redman