@hj @LinusTech @matrix And Mantle predated Metal, which I believe started the discussion inside the Khronos group to establish a new low-level API, but Apple still wanted to be an individual with their own proprietary API.

@hj @LinusTech @matrix

>Apple doesn't have OpenGL or Vulkan

Rolflmao, no wonder nobody games on Mac. Yet another amazing fuck up by Apple

@coolboymew @LinusTech @matrix there's vulkan-to-metal compatibility layer tho. OpenGL was always shit on macs tho, probably OpenGL -> Vulkan -> Metal works better than any of apple's OpenGL drivers ever did

@hj @LinusTech @matrix @coolboymew We used to laugh at shit compat with OpenGL on macs. Gtruc had charts showing claimed compat vs actual compat for various OS/drivers. Certain ogl API calls on Mac would just crash the app level of bad.

That's one reason Vulkan requires test cert to claim driver compat per version. Prove it works. :3

@hj @LinusTech @matrix @coolboymew there's a very expensive opengl->metal by same people who did vulkan->metal

@vaartis @LinusTech @matrix @coolboymew but being expensive is apple's thing

@coolboymew @LinusTech @matrix @hj its gets better, they dont even support openCL nowadays, despite the fact, that they were the one to introduce it

@coolboymew @LinusTech @matrix @hj also, mac os does in fact still have OpenGL and OpenAL, but both of them spam "deprecation" warnings on compilation despite mostly working fine, except being the worst OpenGL implementation around

@vaartis @LinusTech @matrix @hj @coolboymew at this point it's just not worth supporting Apple crap

@a1ba @LinusTech @matrix @hj @coolboymew pretty much