matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

Third world shithole

youtube.com/watch?v=HD61GnxsAZ

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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@matrix many people are saying this!
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@animeirl I wonder why :thonk:

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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@matrix turns out when you build a culture around extreme selfishness and narcissism coupled with widespread poverty and lack of social and economic mobility, people don't behave well
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@animeirl Except US has one of the most richest poor people.
Poverty doesn't cause crime, but crime does cause poverty.
And if it was selfishness and narcissism, just letting them do it isn't going to help anything.

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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@matrix Poverty absolutely does cause crime. Impoverished people end up living in poorer, crime ridden neighborhoods, more exposed to crime, more likely to get involved, it's a self-reinforcing cycle that never ends due to the incredibly low socioeconomic mobility in the USA.
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kallusti
@animeirl @matrix (and if they get arrested, its difficult for them or relatives to break out of the cycle)
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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@kallisti @matrix Yeah that is another big component of the problem. The american prison system is proven to make people even more likely to commit crimes than they were before, accomplishing the polar opposite of what a correctional institution should do. To make matters worse, the US imprisons more peope per capita than any society in human history. Even ignoring the ethical issues, prisons are basically criminal factories that turn people more violent and more criminal and then release them back into the streets with no support system
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@animeirl @kallisti US imprisons more people per capita than any society in human history because it has more criminals per capita than any society in human history and has the resources to lock them up and in the past actively tried to do so.
The primary purpose of prisons is to keep criminals away from society and by that stop them from causing more crime. Everything else is a bonus.

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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@matrix @kallisti

> US imprisons more people per capita than any society in human history because it has more criminals per capita than any society in human history

Not sure I buy this. If it is, it's because the US criminalizes too much dumb shit.

> The primary purpose of prisons is to keep criminals away from society and by that stop them from causing more crime. Everything else is a bonus.

It's utter failing to do this, since most people get out of prison or jail eventually and in fact it's arguably impossible to do this due to the cost since to actually accomplish this goal you would just have to lock up most criminals forever which is prohibitively expensive and not something we could ever afford.

If this is the goal of the current system (and for the record, I do not think it is, it is instead merely punitive) it's a completely retarded, unworkable goal that needs to be scrapped.
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:
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@animeirl @kallisti
>US criminalizes too much dumb shit

While in some specific cases I would agree, the general answer is no.

>It's utterly failing to do this

Crime in the US has been dropping since the massive incarceration started.

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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@matrix @kallisti The current era os mass incarceration began in the early 70s. Crime peaked in the 80s and didn't really start to fall until the 90s so this is simply untrue.
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@animeirl @kallisti
It began in the late 70s, but big policy changes like this take long time to go into effect. But before that you had attempt at rehabilitation, short sentencing and decreasing prison population while crime increasings.

Also I forgot to say that economic inequality since the 90s has only increased and also in 80s you had an economic boom.

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applejack

@animeirl @matrix @kallisti Looks like a correlation, though yeah, a wee delayed

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anemone🦐🦀🦞:shrimpface:
@applejack @matrix @kallisti Even if, for the sake of argument, we assume this is a causative association, why does the US have such a high crime rate compared to the rest of the world? Even if you only count whites, the US has an abnormally high prison population in the same league as authoritarian countries like Indonesia.
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applejack

@animeirl @matrix @kallisti

Total: 639

White:
133 / (465 + 274 + 134 + 133 + 104 + 19 + 19) = 0.11
(100000 / (331893745 * 0.60)) * (2094000 * 0.11) = 115

115 isn't high. Also Indonesia is 93, idk what's up with that. Lower 1/3rd

(jail instead of jail+prison but whatever)
statista.com/statistics/816699

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_

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