Why is communism/socialism always associated with totalitarianism/authoritarianism? Are they inevitably tied? Why?

@nina The communist comes to your home and demands you share the space with the commune. You say no. What does the communist do?

@matrix @nina Did you find free real estate and then build a home on it all by yourself?

@taylan @nina That's most retarded reply I've seen in a while and not at all unexpected.

1.They would demand it even if I did.
2.No, I've voluntarily exchanged my labor for a trusted medium of exchange and I've exchanged that trusted medium of exchange for the labor of builders, craftsmen etc

@matrix @nina Actually, I think it must have been a really good reply to make you seethe so hard.

1. You don't know that. Communist ideology didn't arise in a vacuum, it was in the context of people being massively exploited by landlords and factory owners. In a fantasy world where people can just find free real estate and build homes on it to live in, Marx wouldn't have ever come up with the ideas he came up with.

2. Do you realize that the builders, craftsmen etc. who work equally as hard as you or even harder still don't get the smallest chance to ever own a home?

Most of what the middle and upper classes do is dabble in completely worthless types of "labor" such as entertainment media, useless managerial positions in big corporations, rewriting the same crappy piece of software over and over again because code is "intellectual property," and so on.

They then exchange most of the "trusted medium of exchange" (money) amongst themselves, while handing out scraps to the people doing all the actually important work like building roads, houses, and infrastructure, making sure we have enough stuff to eat and drink, raising and teaching children, nursing the elderly, and so on.

P.S. I could be counted towards one of those who keep rewriting the same crappy piece of software over and over again. I've no problem admitting the worthlessness of my work.

@taylan @nina
1.If they let me live in the house, could I trade it? No. Could I give it to my kids? No. So nothing changes, they just don't kill me on the spot.
Marx was parasitizing on a rich kid who was parasitizing on his parents. Yes, yes he would.
2.Absolutely irrelevant.
The value of labor is completely subjective, in a vacuum your labor is worthless, it gains worth when people want it.

@matrix @nina

1. Not interested in continuing this branch of the argument because as I've pointed out earlier it's pure fantasy.

2. Are you legitimately claiming that if you gave people the choice between homelessness, and not being able to watch the Kardashians anymore, they would choose homelessness?

Clearly, any sane person cares more about a roof over their head and food on their table, than being able to watch stupid celebrities on TV. Why then are construction workers and farmers not as rich as the Kardashians?

Because there's an entire social class of con-men and goons, who let desperate underpaid workers do the job, and then sell the fruits of their labor to other con-men and goons.