matrix07012 @matrix@gameliberty.club

@sjw Yeah, it's hard to tell so I deleted it

@sjw
Fuck. I didn't realize that.

@mguy3790
I dunno

@Spag
Kinda dumb point on my part, but I forgot to say even places like the US, the freeist country on the planet violates it's constitution and has laws that pervert justice (communists cheer those on btw), so just because something is written in the constitution doesn't mean it's upheld

@Spag
Yes I know it's the USSR constitution

@Spag OOC quotes aren't really sources

https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/pdf/9370

@Spag Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.

@Spag
1. You had to join a "guild" (forgot the word) to do so
2.Only selected and approved by the party. Elections also often violated principles of your vote being secret.

@Spag
Communists are very well know for accurately assessing what a Nazi is. "only happened with nazi sympathizers" is part of that propaganda. It happened even to people who actively took part in resistance against nazis.

>Most collective farms were brand-new and most of the old ones became private cooperatives
Again, you are simply playing apologetics

@Spag *for entrepreneurship

@Spag
>outlaw enemy sponsored party wanting violent revolution in a poorly written law
vs
>setup huge apparatus of censors through which all publication must go through, jail people entrepreneurship, only allow one party

"but muh both sides"

@Spag They weren't compensated or preferred to move. They were given order to give their property to the collective farm. If they complied they were allowed to live in their original property and work on the collective farm (that's imo worse than just theft, because the thieve is also rubbing it in your face). If not they had their property confiscated, were arrested and sent to jail, family relocated.

@Spag
I never claimed that it was cartoonish "literally putting a gun to someone's head", although sometimes was, but you just reworded what I said, but in an apologetic language.

>were allowed to be the managers of the collectivized farms, though obligated to teach farm management
Slavery, but with extra steps?

@Spaghettimon Censorship in Czechoslovak Socialist Republic officially ended in 1968 and yet it didn't stop. Reading the laws only gets you so far.

3rd party statistics you say? Those seem to be saying the opposite of your claims

@Spaghettimon So collectivization wasn't a thing? Interesting take