@feld @freemo @realcaseyrollins I think you've got a leg up on me in years and I'll say: they still don't
@cantinto @feld @freemo @realcaseyrollins it's more complex than that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict but basically yeah, jews were spread out away from what they think is their homeland (according to religion, anyway) while the said homeland was constantly a contested territorry (because duh it's middle east, the holy land, yadda yadda), so somewhere around WW1 and WW2 jews started moving there, escaping the anti-semitism of europe, soviet union, nazis etc. Non-jewish locals didn't appreciate that even back then and when UN tried to "regulate" the conflict it only became much worse.
The west however doesn't want to recognize that nor talk about it all that much and the entire topic of palestine/middle east history would span several thick books and it would be nearly impossible to stay neutral about especially when it involves your nation/culture/religion's atrocities.
The west however doesn't want to recognize that nor talk about it all that much and the entire topic of palestine/middle east history would span several thick books and it would be nearly impossible to stay neutral about especially when it involves your nation/culture/religion's atrocities.
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@hj @feld @freemo @realcaseyrollins the closest I ever got to any explanation of the modern state of Israel is what my paterfamilias told me:
"The Jews looked at what happened with the Holocaust, and so they took it upon themselves that if this was how it was going to be, they were going down hard."
"The Jews looked at what happened with the Holocaust, and so they took it upon themselves that if this was how it was going to be, they were going down hard."
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@cantinto @feld @freemo @hj Oof.
I'd generally surmised based on the #Bible and what happened in WWII, and guessing what had occurred in between that the #Israelites got conquered or whatever by the Romans but once the Roman empire died, the Jews kinda scattered. When the Nazis scooped up all the German Jews but ended up losing the war, there was nowhere for the Jews to go so they were like "let's go back to the homeland bois" and the Palestinians were like "heck no gamers we were here first" and the Jews were like "yes, but actually no" and the UN helped them get back what was once their homeland.
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Depends on the time period. the bible was written quite a bit before the crusades... But basically the Jews have never had a secured homeland in israel, it was pretty much always under dispute whether it is due to romans or Palestinians or whatever. What I described was crusades around 1000AD, you are describing almost 1000 years earlier.
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