@georgia @Rude @cowanon @jojo @realcaseyrollins
> sophistic
I've been assuming good faith, and acting in good faith, I don't think we have a reason to start on that.
> Confederate monuments are kept to glorify an imagined irenic interbellum era, halcyon days where black people were good cattle.
We can keep them for a different reason than they were built, exactly like Auschwitz; I think it's a completely valid comparison, but it's a red herring to even start on the Confederacy thing.
> Quit lumping me in with iconoclastic ancoms, you know better than that.
I'm not, but let's say I will take care not to. I *am* lumping you in with the people that are pretending this was ever about the Confederacy. It has not been.
> sophistic
I've been assuming good faith, and acting in good faith, I don't think we have a reason to start on that.
> Confederate monuments are kept to glorify an imagined irenic interbellum era, halcyon days where black people were good cattle.
We can keep them for a different reason than they were built, exactly like Auschwitz; I think it's a completely valid comparison, but it's a red herring to even start on the Confederacy thing.
> Quit lumping me in with iconoclastic ancoms, you know better than that.
I'm not, but let's say I will take care not to. I *am* lumping you in with the people that are pretending this was ever about the Confederacy. It has not been.
@p @georgia @Rude @cowanon @jojo @realcaseyrollins It's a status thing about the oven middle class, who have known nothing but comfort, and the white working class who they hate for various reasons. shitlibs want to take away the only thing that poor whites have left, which is their honor. They will come around to attacking them in any case.
Agree or disagree with that cause, those men and symbols represent you if you are white.
Agree or disagree with that cause, those men and symbols represent you if you are white.
@Thomuu @Rude @cowanon @georgia @jojo @realcaseyrollins Personally, I feel like Sherman represents me better than Jefferson Davis, but the rioters destroyed a monument to the 54th Massachusetts Infantry, an all-black division. They're not trying to destroy just white culture, they're trying to destroy all culture. Year Zero.
@p @Rude @cowanon @georgia @jojo @realcaseyrollins For the most part, Sherman was seen as a criminal until he was rehabilitated by warmongers. He wasn't a man of great military capability, really. His only major battlefield victory was at 3 to 1 odds and it was a very near run thing. I've noticed a correlation between people who praise him and a wide eyed hatred for ruralites and other working class types.
I believe it to be very much about hatred of whites though. Yes they are destructive of their own shit but that's because they are either actual retards or because they associate it with boomers who they consider retrograde, even though they want the same things.
I believe it to be very much about hatred of whites though. Yes they are destructive of their own shit but that's because they are either actual retards or because they associate it with boomers who they consider retrograde, even though they want the same things.
@Thomuu @Rude @cowanon @georgia @jojo @realcaseyrollins
> For the most part, Sherman was seen as a criminal
Only in the South, where it didn't matter.
> warmongers
First shots of the Civil War were fired by the South.
When he was an instructor at the Louisiana State Seminary and Military Academy (now LSU), he had this to say:
> You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it […] Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.
Everyone knew the war was coming and the South shot first. It was also obvious to all involved that it was to prop up southern aristocracy, not to preserve anyone's way of life.
> a wide eyed hatred for ruralites and other working class types.
Well, let me disabuse you personally. I come from a working-class, rural family and I have shoveled horseshit in the August sun. It was more or less an accident that my brother and I were born in Los Angeles, I've spent plenty of time all over, I've done more than my share of shoveling shit, and I'll say directly that I love the countryside, but I'll take San Bernardino, Fresno, Appalachia, or the Ohio River Valley over any rural parts of in Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, and the same with their cities. I don't hate the South, but I do feel like it'd be nicer without so many southerners in it. (Nothing for the climate, unfortunately.) Dixie wasn't kangz, Dixie had kangz.
> I believe it to be very much about hatred of whites though.
To believe that, you have to also accept that this is some spontaneous, grassroots movement.
> For the most part, Sherman was seen as a criminal
Only in the South, where it didn't matter.
> warmongers
First shots of the Civil War were fired by the South.
When he was an instructor at the Louisiana State Seminary and Military Academy (now LSU), he had this to say:
> You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it […] Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.
Everyone knew the war was coming and the South shot first. It was also obvious to all involved that it was to prop up southern aristocracy, not to preserve anyone's way of life.
> a wide eyed hatred for ruralites and other working class types.
Well, let me disabuse you personally. I come from a working-class, rural family and I have shoveled horseshit in the August sun. It was more or less an accident that my brother and I were born in Los Angeles, I've spent plenty of time all over, I've done more than my share of shoveling shit, and I'll say directly that I love the countryside, but I'll take San Bernardino, Fresno, Appalachia, or the Ohio River Valley over any rural parts of in Tennessee, Arkansas, Mississippi, and the same with their cities. I don't hate the South, but I do feel like it'd be nicer without so many southerners in it. (Nothing for the climate, unfortunately.) Dixie wasn't kangz, Dixie had kangz.
> I believe it to be very much about hatred of whites though.
To believe that, you have to also accept that this is some spontaneous, grassroots movement.
@p @Thomuu @Rude @cowanon @georgia @jojo @realcaseyrollins
>First shots of the Civil War were fired by the South.
In fist fights, if I provoke you, I am not held blameless. You should not white-wash the role of the Lincoln administration in provoking the tragedy that became the Civil War simply because they did not fire the first shot. The south is not some saint, but the north is not the hero modern men want to make it out to be. It was a dirty fight and nothing good came of it.
>First shots of the Civil War were fired by the South.
In fist fights, if I provoke you, I am not held blameless. You should not white-wash the role of the Lincoln administration in provoking the tragedy that became the Civil War simply because they did not fire the first shot. The south is not some saint, but the north is not the hero modern men want to make it out to be. It was a dirty fight and nothing good came of it.
@fluffy @Rude @Thomuu @cowanon @georgia @jojo @realcaseyrollins
> role of the Lincoln administration in provoking the tragedy that became the Civil War simply because they did not fire the first shot.
The Confederacy formed in February 1861, before Lincoln *had* an administration. (Presidents were inaugurated in March back then; this was changed by the 20th Amendment.) South Carolina voted to secede in December 1860.
So, what provocation, again?
> It was a dirty fight and nothing good came of it.
Devil's Advocate, but interchangeable parts and other manufacturing innovations were the biggest things that happened until Ford. We also got the Gatling gun and the repeating rifle. The first time ironclads were actually tested in a battle was during the Civil War.
> role of the Lincoln administration in provoking the tragedy that became the Civil War simply because they did not fire the first shot.
The Confederacy formed in February 1861, before Lincoln *had* an administration. (Presidents were inaugurated in March back then; this was changed by the 20th Amendment.) South Carolina voted to secede in December 1860.
So, what provocation, again?
> It was a dirty fight and nothing good came of it.
Devil's Advocate, but interchangeable parts and other manufacturing innovations were the biggest things that happened until Ford. We also got the Gatling gun and the repeating rifle. The first time ironclads were actually tested in a battle was during the Civil War.
@icedquinn @Rude @Thomuu @fluffy @georgia @jojo @realcaseyrollins Weapons design is engineering at its finest.
