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Some time ago, @e announced that he will continue following me around the internet until such a time as I stop being friends with @graf, on the grounds that @graf drinks beer sometimes.

To celebrate the treaty of eternal friendship between based admins like @graf and @sjw (pictured below) and the eternal butthurt of @e, I'm changing the HellthreadMRF threshold from delist at 32/reject at 64 to delist at 512/reject at 1024, clearing all of my personal thread mutes (`DELETE FROM "thread_mutes" WHERE ("user_id" = '00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001')`, which affects only me, though please do let me know if you would like your personal thread mutes cleared also), and ignoring all spam complaints for the next 24 hours.

:welcometohell::satansmile::ricardosmug2: The golden age of the Hellthread begins as soon as the server restarts. :hellthread::richard::ricardosmug2:
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@p @lanodan @e @graf @sjw while we at it, can we agree that the stackoverflow is the worst website ever?
Its rarely anything more complicated than
"HoW To CrEATe LoOp In PyThOn (WiNdOwS) ???"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap57twgm0jQ
@xue @sjw @p @e @graf Incidentially, only times I use StackOverflow is for doing stuff in python, I wish this hell of a language would have better documentation.

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@lanodan @xue @e @graf @p @sjw I agree. I have been using too much Python lately. Not to mention that NumPy, Matplotlib and SymPy dominate on Physics against languages like R or Mathlab.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @p @xue @e @graf
> Physics

I will probably always run away from any scientist using a computer except maybe mathematicians.
It's not that they don't know how to use a computer, it's more that they do their stuff with no care at all.
@lanodan @e @graf @p @sjw @xue
Most simulations scripts aim for precision rather than performance. Not to mention if those scripts are run on HPC computing clusters. Knowing OOP is useful but kinda overkill when trying to simulate an specific type of phenomena.
I am more of a mixed bag in that sense because I have the OCD levels on a programmer while also doing physics.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @p @xue @e @graf I mean more like… their codebases tend to look like what an hardened shut-in NEET place would look like, there is so many things put together that you don't even know wtf it's doing anymore.

Sometimes it's even worse than webshit because of fucking course it would use a combination of obscure languages like ocaML + Haskell + FORTRAN.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @p @xue @e @graf Included in Haskell.

Because using pandoc for just a simple markdown→HTML makes sense for them.
@lanodan @e @graf @p @sjw @xue tbh, I tried to learn Haskell and I kinda like it for a while.
Now there are even more obscure languages like R and Clojure.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @p @xue @e @graf
I'm kind of okay with Haskell, it's just close to a write-only language for me because I can't with the default syntax (like I never knew if it should be . or $ or even something else for pipes, meanwhile in elixir it's just |>) and of course it's a language where you can extend the syntax…

R seems to be where scientific horror takes place.
Clojure is something I wouldn't use because of licensing issues.
@lanodan @e @graf @sjw @xue
Well....@p knows his way around FORTH for all I know. Hard to get more obscure than that ( I think ADA is even less obscure than FORTH ).
Haven't tried to learn Erlang or Elixir yet though, so I have no comments about them.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @xue @e @graf FORTH is comfy but yeah, it's quite obscure.

I just tend to avoid putting requirements for a *bunch* of obscure languages in one codebase, people scream often enough on my pure-perl ones. :D
@TheMadPirate @sjw @xue @e @graf
Perl: First class support for (ir)regular expressions, but the language is complete enough that you just use them on patterns.

Unix Shell: You use regexes basically anytime you need to massage any string, for a Unix language it's crap.
@xue @sjw @TheMadPirate @e @graf I couldn't care less for this, I just wanted to avoid having to go through my scripts at basically every release. (fuck you python)
@TheMadPirate @sjw @xue @e @graf That's exactly my kind of problem.

Python *loves* to introduce new keywords.
Python also is a language where the interpreter throws syntax errors and similar in a sort of just-in-time manner, you have to execute *everything* to know if your code is legit Python code.

Write code with isn't legit perl? It's going to tell you it's invalid right away, no need to write a monstrous testsuite for a language problem.
@lanodan @TheMadPirate @e @graf @sjw
>new keywords
>changing most basic operation from macro to function

python is shit, you really have no idea whats under the hood, it only has an advantage of being easy
@xue @sjw @TheMadPirate @e @graf Yeah, python really deserves it's name.

Charms you at first and then bites you when you least expect it.
@lanodan @xue @e @graf @sjw actually it comes from Monty Python as in "Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition" and "Spam Spam Spam Eggs Spam Spam" Monty Python.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @xue @e @graf Pfft yeah that too.

Specially the spanish inquisition kind as one which hates the exception/expect flow, just fucking give me the list of possible errors, I'll decide how I want to handle or ignore them.
@lanodan @TheMadPirate @e @graf @sjw
also
it could be that Monty Python inspired creation of python as a last attempt at trolling the modern world
I know they did digital media, two games at least i think?
@xue @lanodan @e @graf @sjw one time I broke a python distribution trying to install the pyCuda package. Pip just decided to delete packages to update dependencies that couldn't install.
@TheMadPirate @sjw @xue @e @graf
Tip: Never ever use pip or even worse, pipenv.

I just stick to packages (and distros where it's not pain to make packages, come on that's one of the defining parts of a distro) and temporarily setting PYTHON_PATH for stuff that's in development.

@lanodan @sjw @TheMadPirate @xue @e @graf I never used pip. Apt had all the Python packages I needed back when I was still actively using it.

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@TheMadPirate @sjw @xue @e @graf @lanodan I mainly used Windows back when I was an active Python programmer and all of the Python packages I needed had installation wizards. I actually prefer EXEs over packages, but that's just my preference.

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