borders used to be really porous but you also didn't get a lot for your citizenship and movement over long distances was difficult so it didn't matter much.
@Moon citizenship wasn't automatic in those days. power was much more nonfungible; you couldn't just pack up your walmart and walk across the street, your title's wouldn't just shuffle across kingdoms.
@icedquinn in most cases you were subject to a monarchy so yeah.
@Moon @icedquinn The best of both worlds is open borders, 100% open, and no job. Want to work with us? Become a citizen or be invited. No other way around.
The only real problem is the job market.
The only real problem is the job market.
@icedquinn @mystik which version of capitalism or market economy
@icedquinn @Moon
>poor ignorant immigrants
* build charity facility in every country
* teach them how to make their country great in their country, how to get job, food, education, etc.
* deport them
* everyone is happy
This solution, ironically, would be colonization, and it would work.
Also there are countries that are completely open to mindless immigration and work well that way. It's part of their culture.
Therefore at the end of the day it all boils down to what people want.
The United States of America are not united anymore. There are two conflicting cultures. Faggot culture, and conservative culture.
Until those differences are resolved, there is no "what we want".
>poor ignorant immigrants
* build charity facility in every country
* teach them how to make their country great in their country, how to get job, food, education, etc.
* deport them
* everyone is happy
This solution, ironically, would be colonization, and it would work.
Also there are countries that are completely open to mindless immigration and work well that way. It's part of their culture.
Therefore at the end of the day it all boils down to what people want.
The United States of America are not united anymore. There are two conflicting cultures. Faggot culture, and conservative culture.
Until those differences are resolved, there is no "what we want".
@mystik @icedquinn @Moon The solution is to have freedom of association via covenant communities as came up with by Hans Hermann Hoppe.
@xianc78 @icedquinn @Moon Exactly. If people can decide who gets a job and who doesn't, it all becomes self-regulated.
The right sequence of events is the following: learn the language until being proficient, learn valuable skills, be called for a job that couldn't find the right person locally, THEN immigrate.
If you invert that sequence and first go to live to a place without a job, the language, and skills, and expect everything to be resolved via welfare... it's not gonna end well for anyone involved.
But there is no "we the people" anymore, it's "them the people vs us the people". Therefore it must be resolved at local level by covenant associations, as you said.
The right sequence of events is the following: learn the language until being proficient, learn valuable skills, be called for a job that couldn't find the right person locally, THEN immigrate.
If you invert that sequence and first go to live to a place without a job, the language, and skills, and expect everything to be resolved via welfare... it's not gonna end well for anyone involved.
But there is no "we the people" anymore, it's "them the people vs us the people". Therefore it must be resolved at local level by covenant associations, as you said.
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@icedquinn @Moon @mystik Regardless of what economic system, I think freedom of association is important. Some people just don't get along.
