@GirthyChode @Indigo I'd rather escape to the on floating cities.
@GirthyChode @Indigo *escape to floating cities.
@GirthyChode @Indigo Multiple companies and organizations are doing this. The Seasteading Institute is just a think-tank. They have a list of projects, all by different companies. I know Ocean Builders makes their designs open source so they are unlikely to be a scam.
https://www.seasteading.org/active-projects/
Liberland is another place to escape to (located on a plot of land between Croatia and Serbia in which neither one of them claims), but I'm skeptical because they seem to be too invested in the crypto/blockchain meme (not necessarily saying there aren't good things to come out of them) and their "voluntary tax" system (where votes are counted by how much money you give to the government) sounds plutocratic to me.
A liberal in California and a conservative in Mississippi are effectively already living in two different countries, maybe if we'd done a better job of working with each-other, and keeping corporations/ oligarchs/ special interests out, to future-proof "representative" government we might have been able to keep this thing going for a while longer, but that ship sailed decades ago.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm an Anarchist too, I don't like States period, however large or small (and I've heard of the Seasteading movement, I think it's pretty based, but still needs time to be proven in practice).
My point was more one of, "who's gonna make the first move?..."
@Indigo
>and I've heard of the Seasteading movement, I think it's pretty based, but still needs time to be proven in practice
A couple lived on a floating home back for four months back in 2019 but the Thai navy intervened despite them being away from their legal territory.
https://odysee.com/@Seasteading:8/the-first-seasteaders-1-facing-the-storm:8
Sucks that they got shut down, but the State not making it easy to escape is hardly surprising.
@Indigo Ocean Builders is currently located in Panama who is more open to the idea. There are other projects (mostly located in the US) but Ocean Builders seems to be making the most progress.
Officially, any nation partnered with the UN can't claim territory >12km past their shores. I expect nation states and international organizations will use environmentalism as an excuse to crackdown on seasteading even though seasteads can be Eco-restorative because sea-life clings to and reproduces on floating objects. They will probably have other excuses like being tax-havens for the rich or hide-outs for terrorist organizations. The latter was probably the excuse used by the Thai navy.
But on the other hand, I believe that going after these independent floating nations or autonomous zones through force would cause a lot of backlash from land residing citizens unless the state can cover it up.
I am a regular donor to the seasteading institute. It's actually my only contribution to the libertarian cause right now, but I really see a lot of potential in this.
