@dave I think people will interpret it to mean whatever they want it to think, and not look in to the details that much
Right: wow they sent the FBI over him taking some stationery home with him? Fucking Brandon
Left: wow they found the corpses of children and 980 TB of child pornography? Fucking Drumfph
Centrists: wow I'm NOT allowed to eat the crayons? Fucking government
@BanditHeeler @dave Shitlib cultists are getting hyped for it the same way they were Russiagate, the piss tape, or every single boomercon "THIS WILL END BIDEN FOR REAL" post.

They can find nothing and they'll forget it, or if they find something small and irrelevant they'll hype it up and use it to destroy him without thinking of the consequences like the Alex Jones trial right now sending a message that you can only say establishment views on the TV if lawyers are involved.
@ryo @dave @BanditHeeler Yeah I'm not sure but Alex Jones has been getting railroaded by the legal system and big tech alliance for the last few years over (among other things) the Sandy Hook thing because he was questioning if the whole thing was real or fake and gay. If anything, they just found a opportunity to take him out for good to send a message to the other rising alt-media sources that are less dramatic (The Gateway Pundit and OANN are the big targets as of late, with the former facing a similar lawsuit from an election fraudster caught in the act). They're using the fact that boomers and the like harassed the Sandy Hook families (you know, the "you're responsible for things someone else did" mindset) instead of their lawyers or the police departments dragging their feet to release evidence that honestly would have done a stronger job at silencing everyone to take him out for a reason: he's a threat to the media. That's also because optics wise Sandy Hook was a flash in the pan for the mainstream media: they can just accuse him of harassing these poor parents of a school shooting victim and everyone will parrot the line.

Let's look at the circumstances around Sandy Hook; a LOCAL NEWSPAPER had to FOIA all the details of the shooting which didn't come out until years later because the police department was sitting on them (they're more worried about Columbine copycats than the public not believing it's real), and if anything what came out was less about the gun he used and more about the fact he was deeply fucked in the head, with a mom who was definitely not qualified to handle her pet retard from letting him use guns to just taking a passive hands-off approach to parenting. Considering how YouTube also nuked his channel when true crime autists found his channel years later mixed in with the media pushing hard for gun bans, is it any wonder people would ask questions?

What did the USA media and town do when the shooting happened? They went so far in on the "ban guns" thing that the rest is history. There was a huge pushback against this and a giant buying run on AR-15s/big mags (because boomers were banking on another grandfather style law). The city tore down the Lanza household (not uncommon with murders or heinous crimes to avoid hard to sell homes or a repeat of the Tate House saga) and the school (likely to avoid murder tourists and future shooters going there as a pilgrimage, while not knowing why true crime fangirls and future shooters go to Columbine instead of say Sandy Hook). News stories that went to the level of bragging about destroying all of the belongings (that presumably the other Lanza family members didn't come and collect) left in the house to stop true crime fans from dumpster diving murderbilia absolutely didn't help their case whatsoever.

When the facts came out years later, they didn't get a fraction of the same amount of coverage that the Sandy Hook parent lawyers and their quest to fuck over gun owners and dissidents have. The fears of teenage fangirls fawning over Adam Lanza also haven't shown up, because unlike the notorious shooters Adam was a pedophile, didn't have writings anyone could relate to, or even put on the "teenage rebel" image that Eric and Dylan as an example did.

So when you consider in 2012/3 that there was little to no info on the shooter itself other than the infamous photo, a massive push to ban guns (that would fail harder today with how ARs became mainstream in the USA, many states just have mag limits and fixed mags instead), and the parents getting weaponized as all fuck by greedy/politically motivated lawyers, it's not unreasonable to believe that anyone would ask questions to the point of falling down rabbit holes. The fact that many people to this day still argue if Sandy Hook was real or not should tell you why Alex would even suggest such a thing.

So despite what the case looks like, it's not actually about Alex saying Sandy Hook was fake. It's like government bills with misleading names like the stop inflation act. It's really about using the court to send a message like they did with the CVille protesters: alternative media isn't safe from a costly lawsuit. It's the same motive behind the Dominion Voting Systems billion dollar lawsuits and their website instantly going right into the damage control, or Jim Hoft's website being sued for showing a video of someone committing election fraud. It's also a great way to permanently ruin the reputation of Alex Jones so brainwashed libs and Google can "gotcha" people with his court case (which isn't the only one, he got fucked in a marriage court too). He's not even their only target, as the Tucker Carlson hit pieces on him and his former writer proved and I know they have him under a microscope, waiting to ruin his career too when they're not deboonking everything he says.
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@PhenomX6 @dave @BanditHeeler @ryo I have yet to see a mass shooter worshiper who worships anyone other than Brenton Tarrant or the Columbine shooters.

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@xianc78 @dave @BanditHeeler @ryo Dylan roof (the bowlcut guy) and Brevik have a few, but they're also considered terrorists like Tarrant is. People also subtly have showed support or made memes about the woman who tried to shoot up YouTube as despite being unsuccessful everyone hates YouTube. Elliot Rodger only had a few turbo losers supporting him and mostly mockery.

I think you're seeing a pattern here: they did it for something other than attention or being on the tv. Even the people obsessed with the Columbine shootings get obsessed with it because of the idea of a bullied kid fighting back (of which the idea of Columbine being a reaction to bullying or the shooters being bullies themselves is argued back and forth in that community more than if sandy hook is real or not). At least one of the manifestos (I think tarrants) name-dropped Brevik and claimed he supported it from a prison letter, and someone else who had their plan foiled was writing letters to Dylan Roof.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndoh/pr/toledo-woman-pleaded-guilty-terrorism-charges-related-her-role-conspiracy-launch-attack
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/couple-sentenced-for-planning-mass-shooting-013120

Of course in this case, both glowies caught them and they were involved with the "true crime" communities. Namely, someone involved in that sphere on Tumblr got concerned I'm pretty sure because the FBI said a concerned citizen tipped them. I have no idea if writing the letters got them on a watchlist but finding the letters didn't help their case one bit.

@PhenomX6 @dave @BanditHeeler @ryo I'm now reminded that there were also people who worshiped Randy Stair of all people. I think one even went as far as getting a job at the exact same supermarket that Randy shot up only to eventually be reported by people online.

@xianc78 @dave @BanditHeeler @ryo lately the thing with Randy is new generations of normie channels finding out about him and talking about him as the crazy YouTube killer while probably being not as good as Jim's video on him.

To quote a certain book, the reason losers probably still latch onto him is his social media persona or his attempt at style. While a lot of losers wind up getting nuked instantly by big tech, he was smart enough to put everything he made into a mediafire account before he did the deed, which shitposters had a ball laughing at. He was very into social media and had a giant (if under the radar) footprint, had a viral video with a nearly a million views iirc at one time because he got featured by a bigger YouTuber (who was shocked by the shooting), and was then developing his own autistic lore based around a cartoon. He then spent money and whatnot to get girls online to voice act and animate his shit which towards the end got too edgy, and even developed a final autistic going out video. Most of us think he's a loser faggot but to a subset of truly lost autists with no parents he is literally them, and he definitely left his mark.

Meanwhile nobody except conspiracy theorists and gun grabbers remember sandy hook. Even the Texas shooting is going to be remembered longer because of the corrupt police force handling it and the CCTV footage.

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>to a subset of truly lost autists with no parents he is literally them

Except Randy still had both of his parents and lived with them until the day he died. His Dad was even pushing him to get a "real job" despite Randy's refusal. So his parents were far from neglectful. Lost? Sure. Without parents? Definitely not.

@xianc78 @dave @BanditHeeler @ryo Yes, Randy's IRL circumstances were far different than his gay persona he put on. Which is why the retards into him are attracted to his gay persona he put on and not the fact he was literally a loser.

I think you’re seeing a pattern here: they did it for something other than attention or being on the tv

The pattern here is precisely the opposite. Mass shooters want attention, and they want it very badly, to the point where they’re willing to target and kill innocent people to get it.

People that don’t want attention just put the gun in their mouth and pull the trigger like a normal person. Mass shooters are angry, and critically, feel that the world needs to know why they’re angry.

@dave @xianc78 @BanditHeeler @ryo Some of them do it solely for attention yes.

But the political terrorist shooters I mentioned didn't just want to kill as many people as possible (namely their political enemies), but also draw attention to their causes (such as white genocide/birthrates/depopulation in the case of those 3) while being too cowardly or stupid to do anything like say assassinate a government official (Jo Cox comes to mind), polarizing figure they really fucking hate (Theo van Gogh in 2004 or Alan Berg in 1984), a magazine mocking them (Charlie Hebdo), or actually having a lot of babies/producing culture.

They tend to have a different crowd of admirers than just teenage girls on Tumblr who if they had connections/friends would be trying to fuck some thugs instead.

Even people like Eric and Dylan or Elliot Rodger ended up with supporters who disavow their actions but also relate to them, though a lot of the Eric and Dylan fangirls online couldn't find a local thug to fuck instead.

Has there ever been a shooter that wasn’t motivated by a desire for attention? I get that for many shooters it wasn’t their sole desire, but can you point to any shooter that truly didn’t care about the media attention they were going to get?

The original contention was about whether or not mass shooters are motivated by attention, so yes.
@dave @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @BanditHeeler @ryo I find the line of questioning confusing. If we know about them as a mass shooter, it’s because they got a lot of attention for doing it. Overwhelmingly they are malignantly narcissistic and/or schizophrenic. I could maybe make an argument that schizophrenic’s desires are largely irrelevant…but I guess the real point I want to make is that the meta narrative could be expanded to anyone who shoots several people including some innocent people. Ive noticed a trend to relabel some gang violence as mass shootings. I would argue that could fit. Personally I would label most soldiers facing active duty and federal agents etc as mass shooters for instance. They definitely dont want the attention.
@dave @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @BanditHeeler @ryo It's difficult to determine desire, since they are actively denied attention. "Mass shooter" isn't really a good categorization, since it just describes an act. Some are certainly motivated by attention, some by mental illness and some by revenge/revenge fantasies.

Isn’t a mass shooter engaging in some revenge fantasy still doing it over attention?

The youtube shooter comes to mind here. She was getting revenge, but she was one of those nano-celebrities that still operated off of attention. And she wanted attention drawn towards how she had been unfairly cut off by the tards at google that were pulling levers without thinking about their impact.

@dave @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @BanditHeeler @ryo You would have to define attention first before this can be answered, since almost anything can be construed to be attention-seeking. But my thought was that it's not inconceivable, for example, that a school shooter is out solely for revenge. This might especially be the case if we expand our scope outside the US. For example, I remember at least one case in Russia, where a soldier claims to have shot and killed other soldiers over hazing (read sexual abuse): https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/10/europe/russian-soldier-hazing-intl-scli/index.html
@admin @xianc78 @dave @BanditHeeler @ryo Workplace shooters tend to really be that, even if they're directed at the wrong target (coworkers as opposed to management) they're taking it out on who pisses them off.
> You would have to define attention first before this can be answered, since almost anything can be construed to be attention-seeking.

There is a common stat that I've heard, which is that women attempt suicide at 3x the men's rate, but men "succeed" at suicide at 3x the women's rate. How is it that women attempt suicide much more often than men, yet it's primarily men that actually die by suicide?

The answer here is that when women try to kill themselves, usually it's more of a cry for help. But when men kill themselves, it's because they really just want to die.

I'm responding to the original assertion that these shooters clearly aren't seeking attention, because the miserable people just put the gun in their mouth and end it. By definition, mass shooters aren't in that category. It's the attention-seekers that seek to murder innocent people in a way that draws attention to themselves.
@dave @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @BanditHeeler @ryo If you define attention-seeking as "kills another person", then your argument is a tautalogy.

What about when you plan an attack where you try to kill as many non-combatants as possible?

@dave @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @BanditHeeler @ryo But how does "kill as many non-combatants as possible" necessarily imply "for attention"?
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