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Doing all this training for some shitty Java framework and I realize how easier it is just to do this all in raw Java. It really makes me wonder what the point of these frameworks in the first place.

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@xianc78 depends what they do really. some of them are chonky but every large project will ultimately use all of it (coldfusion, django).
Standardized workflow so you can be easily replace without much friction.
@xianc78 The idea is to supposedly make it easier for someone who doesn't know code to program, but of course that never works in reality.
@xianc78 The point of using frameworks as opposed to writing real code is:
1. You can come over as someone who makes complex code in order to achieve something simple.
2. You're enslaved to the way the frameworks work, so that once the framework stops being maintained, you'll have to re-learn everything from scratch again for another framework (aka, platform dependence).
3. Instead of actually coding, you just click some buttons to shit out the end product (which by the way is not programming, it's mass production).
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