@noyoushutthefuckupdad @ArdainianRight @hachi @LittleTom I hope nobody in my family ever troons out. That's one of my biggest nightmares.

@xianc78 @ArdainianRight @hachi @LittleTom it's been an ordeal.

@noyoushutthefuckupdad @xianc78 @ArdainianRight @LittleTom @hachi I thought about this not long ago, and it's hard to think of something more defeminising than to have the breasts cut off in an era that hates the feminine, especially when they are still to develop. In these days, little girls are taught to be and behave like boys/men so it's hard to even know if this is related to that, to hating puberty or if it is gender dysphoria. Either way, no child should be mutilated. We shouldn't be messing with the fertility of girls. It truly is a part of the development of girls. We've almost forgotten that we can have both feminine and masculine in us, that most people are a mix between them depending on how we want to define these things. That we can want to be like men and women, depending on what we admire in them.

@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad my problem is the kid transgender? because i can see like if the kid said hey mom i want to be a boy i can understand it. like if i had a kid told me hey i want to boy or girl and maybe let them dress or let them present themselfs as they feel like. but i refuse to push this stuff on kids. but if i learned this sooner maybe my life would of been better.

@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad also i personally wouldn't like my kid being like me because feeling like shit everyday because your not ok with yourself sucks,

@1iceloops123 @noyoushutthefuckupdad Feeling like shit comes with the territory, especially when you are young and going through puberty. You start noticing the changes and how other people start to treat you differently. So is it normal to want to be other people so it is hard to take that as a sign these days. If you don't get treated like your sex, that can also fuck with your perception of yourself. You need to be exposed to this growing up at least some times.

This is why it is dangerous to loosen the rules on what counts as transgender and then to treat it like that. Because I'm sure people would call me trans as they have relaxed the standards. I wouldn't stand a chance to just be myself because I'd be pressured to change how I look, to take hrt/puberty blockers and to go through surgery.

@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad thing is being trans at this point just means you don't idenifty with your birth sex. and this is basicly what i am asking. as for transiationing you have socially transitioning basiclly wearing clothes and doing non serious stuff. as for medical transation i believe you have to be 18 to do it. unless you can prove as a kid your messed up. as for surgery i read it can wait years to do it and not many people do it.

@1iceloops123 @noyoushutthefuckupdad Why do you have to make it an identity thing? My biology is not something that I can realistically control so why make such a huge deal about it? Hmm... well, for now I guess there is a long waiting time but I don't know how much longer that will last for. These days, lots of kids are messed up so that isn't difficult to prove. And the medical doctors are becoming more afraid that they can lose their job if they don't affirm things. There won't be many safe guards in the future. I'm a gonna under this system.

@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad because i read lot about it. but i heard some guy in texas. ex was forcing his kid to transition and i don't know what happend.

@1iceloops123 Reading into things can be helpful, but there can reach a point where you become too immersed in what you are reading that it stops becoming productive.

Yeah. Even @noyoushutthefuckupdad mentioned what his sister was doing. Imagine wanting your child to go through surgery to remove a body part. To mutilate them. There should be limits.

@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad it why i am ok with if they want to present themselfs a certain way.

@sim @noyoushutthefuckupdad i think what sucks with young people. you aren't sure if they are serious or not. i can see if the person was adult.

@1iceloops123 Something else worth considering, you can absolutely be serious about how you are feeling about things in the moment. But then get to change your mind later on as you think about it more. It's harder to change your mind when you are pressured about it and taking the treatments prescribed for it.

I honestly thought that we were heading in a direction where young people didn't have to neatly fit into boxes by being extremely feminine or masculine. We could lose that diversity because they are taught that they must be one or the other. That if they behave or dress masculine, this must make them a man. And vice versa.

@sim well for me I don't want to be fit in the box. But I bet you have kids who want to do things and the next day do other things. As for teens taking drugs I'm not sure if it helps them I'm fine with it. Like my experience antidepressants I didn't like it.