@wowaname @BeedleDave it hasn't been working right for a long time, I haven't been able to follow people for months.

@wowaname @BeedleDave @sun Can you really blame him for leaving the Fedi. Here, he gets cancelled by Pleroma and Akkoma devs, and dogpiled by Poast users. Meanwhile, the Nostr community embraces him with open arms and he got to go to Nostr conventions because of it.

@xianc78 @wowaname @BeedleDave I don't blame him at all for following the money and influence but he wasn't blameless in those conflicts.

@sun @wowaname @BeedleDave I honestly don't know the full extent of those conflicts as I was never a dev for any Fedi software nor an instance owner/admin.

But as someone who has experienced both networks, Nostr seems to align more with the vision he had for the fedi.

@xianc78 @sun @wowaname @BeedleDave His vision for Fedi wasn't realistic and he was a divisive figure that set development back with his "my way or the highway" take on things. I don't think Nostr has much of a future (every similar project has resulted in CP flooding) but if it's a better fit for him, then good for him.
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>His vision for Fedi wasn't realistic and he was a divisive figure that set development back with his "my way or the highway" take on things.

I'd argue that his vision for the Fedi could've had a chance if Gab didn't defederate and other alt-tech sites decided to implement federation shortly after.

>I don't think Nostr has much of a future (every similar project has resulted in CP flooding)

Nostr doesn't have a CP problem. Node admins can moderate their own nodes and blacklist users from posting on said nodes. It's not like ZeroNet where everyone risks hosting cheese pizza. Don't listen to false accusations from Poast users.

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@xianc78 @mrsaturday @wowaname @BeedleDave the last several weeks nostr is undergoing unstoppable spam because it takes a microsecond to make a new decentralized account and rotate and spam from another
@sun @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday
>unstoppable spam
many such cases, just another day online.
>email
>usenet
>irc
>xmpp
>mediawiki and wordpress sites everywhere
@wowaname @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday every one of those things has a cost barrier to creating new accounts but on nostr there is zero, every id is literally just 40 random bytes
@sun @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday so can 4chan, that never stopped anyone. technically nostr relays can do the same.
@wowaname @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday I don't know what you are getting at because in any case it's orders of magnitude easier on Nostr to spam the fuck out of the network, and it's even currently being done and nobody has effectively done anything about it yet.
@sun @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday quite simply i'm getting at the fact that spam can and will happen on *any* publicly-accessible network, regardless how many protections you think are up. the only things that alleviate this are whitelisting, f2f, or invite-only networks.
@wowaname @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday nostr clients are currently implementing foaf but people are already realizing that this is a huge breaking compromise on its original promise as "censorship free"
@VD15 @wowaname @xianc78 @mrsaturday @sun didn't read past the 3rd post but i love what this became a minor helltghread out of

@VD15 @wowaname @mrsaturday @sun Nostr isn't blockchain based. It supports Bitcoin donations, but it uses a different way to store accounts, and messages.

@sun @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday a compromise but not a breaking one. those people are just retarded. it worked back in anoNet's heyday, we had our cake and ate it too. adoption fell off only because it was a routing overlay network for autists and the only people still interested were overengineering it
@wowaname @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday keep in mind that a lot of nostr people are borderline retarded bitcoin maxis and don't understand how anything works
@Nudhul @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun that's an "us" problem; AP unique identifiers are supposed to be human readable whereas nostr's aren't. you can see from @xianc78 's screenshot that their cryptoshit is truncated

@wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun Bastyon/PocketNet uses community moderation where users with a high enough reputation can flag certain content. If a post gets enough flags then it will be hidden for all users. The problem with that is that Bastyon not only asks high-ranked users to flag illegal content but porn in general as well.

By the way, don't bother using Bastyon because I don't know how truly decentalized it is and even then, virtually all images on the network are hosted externally on Imgur.

@wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun I never used Reddit so I wouldn't even know.

They said that they didn't want porn because they don't want it to be something like many of the loli instances on here where people post nothing but porn and immediately destroy the reputation of the network.

@xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun also >loli destroying reputation
nonsense, it purely enhances reputation

@wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun Never cared about that either. All I know is that it's full of NPCs and it blacklists a lot of links like @djsumdog's website.

@xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun ok but why would you trust NPCs with enough good-boy updoots to moderate anything

@wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun Never said it was a good thing. I actually hate the idea of it.

@sun @wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday Just for the record here is what the Nostr public timeline looks like for me right now. No spam, and I connect to every relay that I can.

@xianc78 @wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday clearly a ton of people are having a problem because every client is implementing rapid changes to deal with it. I see it on my own ditto server, that connects to mainly the same relats as Damus. Every reply I make gets one or more newly-generated account spam messages.

@wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun Doesn't 4chan go out of it's way to block every VPN, proxy, and Tor exit node under the sun?

@xianc78 @wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday I was banned from 4chan for over ten years for running a Tor relay for a while.
@xianc78 @wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday @sun

4chan got gay with Tor....can't make images bigger for example wihtout captcha...Mullvad works good to view posts

@sun @wowaname @BeedleDave @mrsaturday I have yet to encounter any spam or CP on Nostr, outside of that reply-bot (or whatever it was called), and I think whoever was behind that bot spam intentionally did it because they hated the fedi bridges.

@sun @wowaname @xianc78 @BeedleDave @mrsaturday

It stopped now, one was a researcher and shared his code, T he other, who knows
@xianc78 @mrsaturday @wowaname @BeedleDave @sun

They don't moderate their servers though! I even reported primal.net for not taking down CSAM and nothing happened. I was the only one that cared about CSAM there.

And the relay software is so shitty that it is a big hassle to remove csam from your server. You have to dump the entire DB and delete it, then reimport everything
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