switch 2
- can play Nintendo games

steam deck
- can play pc games
- can emulate switch games
- will be able to play switch 2 games
- cheaper

@david@blob.cat
As much as I would love it to, we don't know if it will be able to emulate switch2

@raccoon yea true. It's highly likely tho
@raccoon it's not like the Nintendo switch is as powerful as an Xbox or a PlayStation.

@david@blob.cat
No, but it's not a matter of power, we gotta see if people will even try to make an emulator.

@raccoon @david in another thread i was yesterday, someone pointed out that the devs that did the actual emulator work all either were banned by nintendo to work on that (yuzu) or were paid off by nintendo to not work on that (ryujinx)
@mischievoustomato @david @raccoon Once the Switch 1 stops being sold and games stop being released for it, Nintendo will likely stop caring that much about it. There will be the typical harassment like with Dolphin, but devs will probably come back eventually. You can't judge the state of console emulator development when the console is still sold.

It also depends how many good games were released. Which is something I have no idea about.
@mischievoustomato @david @raccoon PS5 emulators are still nonexistent and PS4 emulation is in some cases still very half-baked from the last time I looked at it.
@phnt @david @raccoon > PS5 emulators are still nonexistent
you don't need an emulator for a thing with no games
> ps4 emu half baked
yeah

@mischievoustomato @david @phnt @raccoon Somebody release a PS5 emulator, but it's just a dummy program that spits out "Error: Games Not Found" if you try to do anything with it.

@japananon @mischievoustomato @david @phnt @raccoon it's funny until you bring up the Fortnite question to Linux users and it ends in buying an Xbox
"If you want to play Fortnite on Linux buy a Xbox"

@sendpaws @david @raccoon @japananon @mischievoustomato That's good, gatekeeping is important. Loonix has too many normie users.
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@mischievoustomato @david @phnt @raccoon @japananon @sendpaws Depends on your definition of "normie". When it comes to just basic web browsing and word processing Linux (namely distros like Mint and Ubuntu) was ready for that for years, but nobody cares anymore given that the concept of a family PC has been dead thanks to smartphones.

Next level above that, you have gamers, engineers, artists, etc, and that's where things start to get iffy. Game support is getting better, but some companies still refuse to port their games to Linux and there are even some that go out of there way to make sure that their games will not even run under Wine (I think Blizzard did or still does ban users who play their games like WoW on Linux). Video and photo editing are still shit (though Blender is decent if you don't care about special effects). From what I've heard, CAD software is the same way, but is slowly getting better.

Finally, you have the programmers and people who know all the ins and outs of Linux that they can use it without any problem. They don't need to waste their time on forums, IRC, or StackOverflow. They're constantly writing their own scripts and automating everything.

The main problem is that unless you manage to find a fully freetard school/career, there will always be that one program that either doesn't work on Linux or just simply runs better on Windows. I think the best example I know of are Proctored/Locked-Down web browsers designed for taking exams. The developers out-right refuse to support Linux because different desktop environments means that they have to patch out any exploits that allows the user to access the rest of the OS during an exam. To add insult to injury, they are also designed not to work under Wine or VMs for obvious reasons.

@xianc78 @mischievoustomato @david @phnt @raccoon @japananon the problem with Linux gaming is all the big AAA games now use kernel level anti-cheat, otherwise you end up with some "interesting" problems.

@sendpaws @mischievoustomato @david @phnt @raccoon @japananon Luckily for me, I don't care about multiplayer games these days, especially newer ones.

Also, it would probably be easier if AAA devs brought back dedicated servers and leave that responsibility to the server admins who have fewer people to deal with, but of course, that is unlikely to happen.

@xianc78 @mischievoustomato @david @phnt @raccoon @japananon @sendpaws It's mostly a combination of AAA multiplayer-first games + CAD software + art software (Mostly the Adobe software suit, and primarily due to their anti-piracy mechanisms)

90%+ of games work through Wine/Proton.

Convince Adobe to port its suit to Linux, and have some engineers conjure a FreeCad application that does most of what commercial CAD can do for free, and Windows is done for

(Outside of lobbying for contracts, at least)

@vokainen099 @david @phnt @raccoon @japananon @sendpaws @mischievoustomato
>Convince Adobe to port its suit to Linux

Adobe could just straight up make their products web applications given that they've been going the SaaS route for a while now.

>and Windows is done for

I'm pretty sure Microsoft has some trick up their sleeve if that ever happens. I've been saying for years that Microsoft's EEE strategy for Linux is to eventually make it so that the only way to use it is through WSFL. Microsoft could make it a policy that all hardware that ships with Windows must be designed to only boot Windows + recovery discs.

Of course, dedicated Linux hardware companies like System76 exist, but how many people are willing to buy them? They are much more expensive than Windows PCs you can find at BestBuy and they are only available on their website.

@xianc78 @david @phnt @raccoon @japananon @sendpaws @mischievoustomato That trick up their sleeve would trigger a reaction from hardware manufacturers, just like Microsoft's attempt at wall gardening windows through their store triggered Valve into developing the SteamOS first and developing proton.

None can allow themselves to hand over that kind of power to Microsoft.

And this isn't the 2000s either, lawsuits against Microsoft would be coming

@vokainen099 @david @phnt @xianc78 @raccoon @japananon @mischievoustomato i wish kernel level anticheat would die and we would go back to servers but it's clear that gamedevs would rather have disposable games

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