@PurpCat @milo @S-Config
>You have no reason to sign up for it if you're not banned from Twitter
false, i left twitter not due to being banned (my account became reinstated at some point) but due to the fact that musk thought X should stand for XSS. a spam DM auto-redirected me to a third-party website without my intervention so i immediately noped out of it
>lacks basic features Fedi has.
not doubting you, but which features? i mean, fedi is notorious for making its own mistakes with regard to user-facing features, not even mentioning the stability and compatibility issues from certain things over the years. some of this shit has always been confusing to new users

@wowaname @milo @S-Config This was a year ago when bsky literally didn't let you upload videos or post gifs, let alone having DMs.

It's added a bunch now, but at the time it was true.

@PurpCat @milo @S-Config i know it had/has bugs but so does fedi to this day, so that's a dirt reason to compare the two

@PurpCat @S-Config @milo see https://freesoftwareextremist.com/notice/Asy9LZ65uSsznBT10K thread i just made a bit ago: tl;dr i prefer a mature community over bickering about short-term technical issues, assuming the issues can be fixed. i've been on fedi almost a decade now and i still don't feel like i've been able to discover interesting people outside of the core circle i've always known here

@PurpCat @S-Config @milo to me fedi has never approached the old-twitter (ca. 2010) mood where it felt like people with actual interests could easily find and gravitate toward each other. best-case fedi still remains very segmented, worst-case it's completely obscured from certain audiences

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config I'm afraid that you can't have that kind of culture on a decentralized network in this political climate (which I don't think is going to change anytime soon). The only way you can have it is on a centralized network with moderation to keep all the political posters, blackpillers, etc out.

For example, there are a couple of imageboards and textboards out there that strive to be more comfy instead of complaining about how much they hate the world, but those admins realized that they either need to sacrifice freeze-peach and/or be relatively obscure in order to keep it that way.

The fediverse has neither of that going for it. Yes, there are more laid-back instances on here that try to replicate that pre-2014 experience, but it is inevitable that users get dogpiled by Poast and NCD users who think they own the network. You could also just have an isolated, webring-like network of whitelist instances, but that kind of defeats the purpose of decentralization in the first place. You might as well just have a Ning site.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config you mention imageboards, so i'll relate my point to that. my experience is that 4chan has just as many useless reply guys as fedi does, bumping threads for no reason, but my real issue is that the interesting content i actually want to see is more sparse on fedi, whereas on 4chan i still regularly see plenty of people mature enough to ignore all that and save the threads with useful contributions anyway. hopefully that makes more sense. it isn't so much the moderation, it's the community's temperament. fedi has always eaten one another alive; we're schismatic and that's a shame. bsky united against a common enemy (twitter post-acquisition). fedi never had such a unified incident such as that, because all we have are the people who were tired of or banned from twitter prior to that mass exodus.

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config
>4chan i still regularly see plenty of people mature enough to ignore all that and save the threads with useful contributions anyway. hopefully that makes more sense. it isn't so much the moderation, it's the community's temperament. fedi has always eaten one another alive; we're schismatic and that's a shame

The difference here is that we have likes, reblogs, follows, blocks, etc and it's much easier to post a short meme and get a bunch of those than it is to make an effort post. On imageboards, all you have are (You)s and everyone is completely anonymous so nobody is building any positive or negative reputation (unless you make it obvious that all your posts are coming from the same person).

Microblogging is basically the polar opposite of imageboards. Everyone has accounts, followers, blocks, etc and therefore has a reputation. This enables personality cults and constantly picking sides. It also doesn't help that many people who came here after 2021 were on sites where such behavior was encouraged (like KiwiFarms). Part of the reason why I hate most Poast users is that they are the types that were spending most of their Internet time watching MisterMetokur videos back in the 2010s, so they've surrounded themselves with people who like to make lolcows out of those they disagree with or who they think are weaker than them.

@xianc78 @wowaname @milo @S-Config unfortunately, this is every social media site now. Google Docs and Reddit replaced the Farms.

You just don't see that side of the internet for the same reason you don't hear about iOS features if you have an Android phone, like "green bubbles" or live voicemail.

@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 I think every website that tries to copy the twitter (and to a lesser extent, Tumblr) user experience are just doomed to be like this unfortunately, especially with a large enough user base. Bluesky essentially was like this from day one, and has not really improved since (despite numerous features being added in an attempt to curb such behavior). Turns out it's not a matter of the political leanings of the CEO or the users, but just an inherent property of how such sites inevitably turn out.

@RK7 @milo @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 classic post btw that talks about why it always ends this way in the middle of the post:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/

In particular; it's because rage and drama and arguing breed interactions; especially with the right demographic for this.

@PurpCat @Milo @S-Config @wowaname @RK7
>In particular; it's because rage and drama and arguing breed interactions; especially with the right demographic for this.

I used to be into that stuff back in my late high school and college years, but I can barely stand to even look at that stuff anymore. I actually regret being into that stuff because I wasted a lot of time when I could've used that time to study for school or practice programming. Pretty much every celebrity who took part of any side of GamerGate or the culture war turned out to be a huge grifter and/or lolcow anyway.

@xianc78 @PurpCat @milo @S-Config @wowaname @RK7
>Pretty much every celebrity who took part of any side of GamerGate or the culture war turned out to be a huge grifter and/or lolcow anyway.
This was a pretty big blackpill when I saw it play out.

@Hephaestic @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 i felt like i was in the eye of the storm during the beginning of gamergay. i didn't participate in it one way or another, but everyone else around me was talking about it and/or closely involved

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic Virtually every gaming circle had at least one person talking about it. It may have caused a lot of people (not just 4chan) to leave certain communities after said communities made their official stance on the issues. It also brought attention to several alternative sites that would've never gotten popular otherwise (8chan being the most notable example). It truly did change Internet culture.

I think it was virtually impossible to ignore it as a gamer unless you're one of the few people who simply just play video games and never discuss them online or consume any gaming-relating content online.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic 8chan was way less of a meme before it blew up after what moot did to /v/. i had already known about the place

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic From what I've been told, before GamerGate it was used as a place for other altchans to create bunkers.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic i just shitposted on the irc with copypaste and some other faggots like beefeats

@wowaname @milo @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @Hephaestic I miss /furry/...

@PurpCat @Milo @S-Config @wowaname @RK7 @Hephaestic Fchan still exists.
http://fchan.us/