they're closing off the free internet

what are you going to do about it? complain?
@sun @anemone start our own internet with blackjack and hookers

@sun@shitposter.world @feld@friedcheese.us they can't, really. They can only ban normie vpn apps on the app store. Completely banning all vpns is impossible and would also make doing business impossible for most companies

@anemone @sun if China can force you to get a license before you can run a website, you can do something similar for VPNs

@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world china bans unapproved vpns but they're still widely used by the population

@sun@shitposter.world @feld@friedcheese.us It's impossible to control unless governments just start banning all internet connectivity outside the country

@anemone @sun @feld You can deal with VPNs easily. 99% of them run on UDP and almost nothing runs on UDP besides DNS, NTP and BitTorrent. DNS and NTP aren't encrypted, so they could easily QoS encrypted UDP traffic into being unusable.

You can run VPNs over TCP, but then you are running TCP on TCP which creates problems with retransmission getting stupid.
The issue isn't technical, it's political. There are too many "legitimate" uses of VPN (and more generally, encrypted UDP) that trying to ban it is going to make a bunch of problems you didn't expect.
@cjd @anemone @feld @sun China already dealt with this (mostly). Just block the ones that don't have an agreement with you as the government. John Doe can still connect to a VPN when he doesn't trust the cofeshop WiFi and the state still gets the data. And with corporate VPNs which do certainly have a use case, those are usually based around a cert, so either hand the cert to the government or involve them in some other way.

In another thread about UK/VPNs and others I've said this:
If they go full China and build a nationwide firewall, they have everything they need. But step 1 is making it illegal in the first place, then complaining that people are circumventing their "measures", which creates a pretext for creating it.
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@phnt @anemone @feld @cjd @sun I'm not an expert on this, but can someone create a VPN that works via steganography? Because from what I've heard, in countries that ban Tor, Tor bridges are still usable because they hide your Tor traffic in VoIP packets which makes it extremely hard to determine if you are using Tor in the first place. I wonder if the same can be done with VPNs.

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