people are seriously mad I moved instances????
tfw owl takes @Hoss's dirty shitcloud money and gaslights everyone else into thinking they're the bad guy
No no no I'm on a dramanigger instance now, I use CWC currency. C and W quarters only.
@goatmeal @Hoss @Owl @c
what are those gold bank notes :LappPeek: I only know different ones
@kaia @Hoss @Owl @c it's a silly thing called goldbacks. they have a website that talks all about it. hoss probably has a strong opinion about them
They're a neat idea, but I don't have any because the premium is crazy.
@Hoss @kaia @Owl @c I justified it to myself because I'm paying for divisibility and security features and art on top of the gold atoms that are in there. these aren't easy to make
The tech itself is the most reasonable means I've seen which offers both the physical convenience of banknotes with the hard asset backing of bullion. If they become more popular maybe the premium will come down.
Unfortunately if they ever start to become mainstream, people (who glow) will start to forge them and nobody's going to be able to tell the difference unless you start scanning each one with a phone/app which is painful.

I have a 5 goldback note, they're cool, but I don't think they're going to amount to that much (also the premium...)
Those laser guns the coin shops use would probably help, but they're not cheap.
Detecting gold content is a total disaster, but what they can do is put a physical one-way function (i.e. glitter paint) on the goldback and make a phone app so you can scan it and see that the serial number matches and the glitter is the same pattern as what they made at the factory, so you can verify provenance.

Picrel: How to send things through the mail and know that they were not opened.

https://dys2p.com/en/2021-12-tamper-evident-protection.html
I think it has to do with the unique pattern of lentils. The seller sends the picture before shipping.
Yea, putting lentils in a vacuum bag -> Easy
Putting lentils in a vacuum bag in EXACTLY the same pattern shown in the picture -> Impossible

It's a beautiful little trapdoor function where anyone can verify but no one can forge.
@Hoss @kaia @f5b55f6b44b8997b2b6e8469a6a57f8d3f3b2ef27023543445c40ecec485ee64 @cjd @Owl @c @goatmeal Can I get a picture of what the heck you guys are talking about? I hear lentils and vacuum and I'm just imagining some freeze dried prepper using their food storage as cryptography and now I'm intrigued.
Say I want to send Hoss an electronic device
We're both worried you're gonna hack it while it's in the mail
I put it in a bag, then put that bag into the middle of a vacuum bag full of mixed lentils like below.
I send Hoss a photo of the bag after it's sealed, like below.
You can open the bag to hack the device, but Hoss will know you have been in there because what he receives doesn't look like the picture of what I sent.
Putting it back *perfectly* so he doesn't know you've been in there is literally impossible.
Yeah, there's a ton of applications for this too. That's why I commented that the goldback people should have painted glitter on their goldbacks, because then you can scan them and check that they're authentic (they have to be serial numbered and some people will hate this)...
There should be a "goldback authenticity app" for your phone then, which scans it and verifies that.

Because just being able to check it at their factory doesn't really do anyone any good if someone can still make a forgery that 99% of the public can't tell the difference...

@cjd @kaia @f5b55f6b44b8997b2b6e8469a6a57f8d3f3b2ef27023543445c40ecec485ee64 @BowsacNoodle @c @Hoss @Owl @goatmeal I couldn't find any evidence of a smartphone app, but I just realized that the 2025 Goldbacks now have UV reactive ink. I don't know how easily replicated that is though.

inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=zZdC-PF

It's not bad, but anyone who has the same technology that Goldback has can forge it. What makes the random glitter so special is that you can make something that even you couldn't forge, so it's pretty easy to make something that literally no one on earth can forge, with any amount of money...
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