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Guys I trust you more than random search results. How do you deal with an avoidant woman? A woman who won't say yes or no even though there's chemistry and tension, how do you break through her shell ("break" shouldn't conjure images of force it's a gentle cracking of a suffocating dome, it's saving her) and make (again, so many people think this implies some sort of force, no no no, when you make someone get out of the way of a speeding bus at the last second is that bad??? No it's heroic!) her understand that the two of you have permission from the universe to be together and to enjoy your time together and to be devoted to each other???????? You bros seem to have it figured out I know at least some of you faggots are married and shit.

@Jazzy_Butts
Good luck
I am literally the worst person to ask ;D

@Jazzy_Butts

"the two of you have permission from the universe to be together and to enjoy your time together and to be devoted to each other?"

don't use this. this will get you you into trouble, thinking there is something external that is blessing your love

first move is to just back off
if she is not saying yes, then she is saying no

don't sell yourself short by chasing somebody who does not want you.

she may not be good enough for you

@Jazzy_Butts My lawyers have advised me not to answer this question
@Jazzy_Butts first, relentless is right. Not saying yes is not NOT saying no.
Lack of affirmative is a no.

But on the off chance you're reading it correctly and she's just got issues then she needs therapy or some other counseling from someone who's not emotionally invested in her (counterintuitive I know).
You should ley it all out for her, and then walk away if she's still not interested rather than assuming she really does want it but is too afraid to say yes (that's very predatory reasoning)

@bestest Thankyou you've all helped me feel at peace with my decision to leave her alone. I kept worrying that I'm supposed to "prove my love" to her and she's waiting for me to, but I guess not. Of if she is, like you said that's weird and she needs therapy from someone who won't get mad at her or hurt by her.

@Jazzy_Butts correct. Also any partner than decides you need "testing" is never, ever going to be satisfied by the result. People who test in this way (by not clearly laying out expectations and parameters and such) are doing it because they're convinced you'll fail and when you don't they just need to test harder, so the relationship would be doomed anyway

@bestest She tested by convincing me to help her break out of court ordered treatment, and then took so long to text me to pick her up that I was too tired and didn't have it in me to help her escape the law by then, and said please go finish your treatment and I'll see you again, she only had one month left. We were on track to get married. Next thing I know, she disappears, becomes a missing person for a weekend, gets found by police, finishes her treatment, but acts cold toward me and sex is passionless compared to before. She, years later, confessed to giving an old guy in a truck head to get to the city with her friend who broke out with her, and they both get basically raped by this old guy, and then they get to the city and get tricked by a street whore into going into a crack house where they were raped by ghetto niggers who told them they weren't allowed to leave, drugged them, and she was so out of it she didn't make them use condoms, and she doesn't know how many filed through. The worst part was I got through on her cell looking for her and she picked up whispering, scared, and I heard some ghetto nigger in the back say "GET OFF THAT PHONE". It makes me want to genitally mutilate racist ghetto nigger rapists who target white girls. She was broken by the niggers so I saw them as breaking my future because she was going to be my wife and so I became very racist even though I'm mixed race and I'm not any more but for a while I was a nazi and was a one man cult and would pray to an effigy of Hitler and sig heil to it and swear vengence and shit. I'm glad I'm not that person anymore. I still hate bbc porn though. Makes me want to chop the bbcs unless they're feminized bbcs which means a black tranny who passes and isn't a hon because I don't perceive them as threatening because they don't behave masculinity. /vent

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