Getting right wingers to debate the age of consent is a psyop and a gayop so of course right wingers trip over themselves to be the first to fall for it.

@borzoi Right wingers want to debate it because they are desperate for owns

@sickburnbro @borzoi
Hey... I just love learning different opinions, as well as learning to express mine. But this question is one huge emotional minefield.

@LukeAlmighty @borzoi Ask yourself first why do people want to debate it.

@sickburnbro @borzoi
If your anwser to this obvious question is "cuz they pedos", then I guess I have nothing to learn from you on this topic.

@LukeAlmighty @sickburnbro @borzoi think it the other way around: debating age of consent is debating how young are the girls you will allow Jewish Pornographers to groom. Right now they're going to high school house parties hunting 17yo to sign contracts at 18. Do you want to lower that?

@MechaSilvio @borzoi @sickburnbro
Oh no... There are girls with bad parents who ruined their life. Please government Stop me from being stupid.

@LukeAlmighty @MechaSilvio @borzoi What perhaps do you think the purpose of a society is?

@sickburnbro @borzoi @MechaSilvio
Extremelly ill-defined queation
What is a society? Immagine one person. Is he in a society? no.
Add another person. both hate eachother, so they move away from each other. Are they in society? no.
If they like each other, they can start communicating, hunting together etc. Both are gaining benefit from their interactions.

Society was created. Now, was there a purpose to this? That would be extremely utilitarian look at 2 people enjoying each others presence and I refuse this framing.

@LukeAlmighty @borzoi @MechaSilvio I don't know what to tell you bro, you live in a society. Pretending otherwise is schizophrenic.

@sickburnbro @borzoi @MechaSilvio
Now that is a great jump in logic.

Yes, I live in a society
so?

@LukeAlmighty @borzoi @MechaSilvio Great, so what do you think the purpose of a society is?

@sickburnbro @borzoi @MechaSilvio
Extremelly ill-defined queation
What is a society? Immagine one person. Is he in a society? no.
Add another person. both hate eachother, so they move away from each other. Are they in society? no.
If they like each other, they can start communicating, hunting together etc. Both are gaining benefit from their interactions.

Society was created. Now, was there a purpose to this? That would be extremely utilitarian look at 2 people enjoying each others presence and I refuse this framing.

@LukeAlmighty Except society isn't designed as a mental problem, but something that exists. If you can't figure out how to make it into a simplest case, that's a you problem.

@sickburnbro
Well, you asked a weird question. I anwsered to the best of my abilities. If you consider my view of artificial construct called "society" a problem, you can always re-define it for your line of argumentation to continue, try different argument. Or just try name calling.

Whatever you preffer.

@LukeAlmighty That's part of the problem that I'm trying to get to - it's not a weird question. Do you think I'm asking these questions to be an asshole?

Any question like "what should be the age of consent" is a subset of the question of "what kind of society do you want to live in"

If you can't even answer what is the purpose of a society, how can you have a useful grasp on any of these questions?

@sickburnbro
Because there is a huge difference between group of and government.

Government is a mafia organization gathering your resources and enforcing arbitrary rules over you.

Some people do see society as a whole of all people under one mafia. Some people see society as a network with you in center and nodes being made by your interactions with people.

@LukeAlmighty How do you think something like Alþingi came to be?

@sickburnbro
Is there something special about that particular mafia?

@LukeAlmighty I mean, you can read wikipedia as well as anyone else, so you should be able to answer that question.

Do you believe enforcing your will on another person is immoral?

@sickburnbro
As always, I will go with: Are you intencionally using as vague queations as possible?

@LukeAlmighty You keep talking about 'mafia' - so the matter is just to reduce your concern to the base level question.

@sickburnbro
Well, let me slice it into seperate queations.
Do I believe it is ok to work to earn food? Yes
Enforcing my will on nature
Do I believe it is moral to kill animal to get food: yes
Enforcing my will on nature
Do I believe it's moral to resist an attack? yes
Enforcing my will on attacker
Do I believe it is moral to kill an innocent person to survive? seriously queationable.

Do I believe it is moral to take someones money to give it to other people? no
That is also enforcing will to others.
Do I believe it is moral to enslave, blackmail, inprison etc without any danger from the other side? Hell no!!!

Do you see just how vague that question was?