@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
Can I leave the bucket now? Pwety pease???

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

Libertarianism does not necessitate a suicidal degree of individualism.

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
NOT WORKING FOR FREE IS NOT SUICIDAL YOU RETARD!!!

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

They are told the situation is temporary, and the alternative is to re-enter a post-covid employment market. There are no good options on the table for them.

A bachelor with a healthy sum of savings stored up can laugh this whole situation off for months, or maybe even years. A man with a wife and children cannot.

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron meanwhile, the Amish defeated Covid by not giving a shit:

https://gab.com/WesternChauvinist1/posts/107125138001051324

@noyoushutthefuckupdad @Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron willing to bet the average amish is much healthier than the average american

@Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @Senpai-kun @dew_the_dew @sizzletron they do physical labor all day every day, they don't eat disgusting processed food, they don't inject themselves with poison, they live somewhere with clean air because there are almost no cars or factories, and they don't use brain-rotting computers.

the Amish are probably the healthiest people on the planet.

@noyoushutthefuckupdad @Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @Senpai-kun @dew_the_dew @sizzletron on average they re healthier but many of them are crippled from preventable diseases and they have an inbreeding problem (they're working on the latter, they started having cross-country mixers to meet other amish communities)

@Moon @LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @Senpai-kun @dew_the_dew @sizzletron smart. they reject modernity, but they still understand genetics.

@noyoushutthefuckupdad @LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @Senpai-kun @dew_the_dew @sizzletron Amish have a sophisticated system of determining what modern things they will adopt. It isn't just a blanket ban on old stuff. Things are allowed until a ruling against the thing. Their elders get together and weigh the benefit of the product/technology against its social/spiritual downsides and make a decision for the entire community. It's not perfect but it has preserved their way of life for hundreds of years and they are the overall happiest demographic in the country.

@noyoushutthefuckupdad @LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @Senpai-kun @dew_the_dew @sizzletron example: telephone is allowed to be used, but it is one shared phone in the community, can typically only make outbound calls, and it physically is placed far outside the community center. They accept modernity on their own terms.

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
Yes, I am libertarian, and I never asked anyone for a premision to say "FUCK YOU NEGRO" to a boss.

And they treat me accordingly, knowing, that the first day my pay is not where it should be, or I decide its too low, I walk away.

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

If you can't even say nigger on fedi then someone owns your mouth.

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
Says the guy promoting literal slavery....

But they need their masta...

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

You're not even in favor of a voluntary labor union?

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
Ok, I quit.

You are dumber then average commie. They at least ask for "everyone to his needs"

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

Wait, what? Not even a voluntary union?

Is there any collective you wouldn't object to, no matter how voluntary?

Would a bowling club violate your individualist principles?

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
I said I quit
QUIT

I refuse to debate details of what limits are or are not acceptable with someone, who says working for 0 (free) (nothing) (voluntary slavery) is a good financial decision.

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

Do you think that people only take deals that are bad for them due to stupidity, and never because they are under duress?

@Senpai-kun @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew
I think you're too stupid to understand the meaning of "i quit".

i will talk about different topics, including your stupidity, but you and economics are now connected om my "not a single sentence" list.

@LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

The source of your frustration is that your ideology of extreme individualism has failed you. You can't acknowledge the concept of duress and you can't support a voluntary collective. Your individualism has taken priority even over your libertarianism.

@LukeAlmighty @Senpai-kun @sizzletron @dew_the_dew
>Libertarianism: Praticed in zero countries
>Marxism: Controls the US (cultural marxism) and China (maoism)

@SneedsterSpeedster @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

This guy can't even be a libertarian, due to reducto ad absurdum levels of individualism.

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew
Do you mean that he's an anarchist?

@SneedsterSpeedster @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

I'd know more if it weren't for the ragequit. I doubt it would be satisfyingly coherent from this point on.

@SneedsterSpeedster @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @Senpai-kun @dew_the_dew
Nah, Anarchism is about as thought out ideology as communism. Although, I do see the appeal, anarchism cannot exist in a world, where some people refuse to be anarchist. WOW. The EXACTLY same problem as with communism

@LukeAlmighty @SneedsterSpeedster @sizzletron @dew_the_dew

Communism has definitely existed in places in the world where there were people who did not want to be communist.

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @sizzletron @dew_the_dew
There's an important distinction between a society run by communists, USSR and so on, and a communist society - class less, state less, currency less society with common ownership of the means of production.

@SneedsterSpeedster @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

This is the trouble I always have with ideologies that come from the left. They tend to define themselves by their promised outcomes and not at all by their working mechanisms. It's a syntax I just don't operate in.

@Senpai-kun @SneedsterSpeedster @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron Libertarians are retards. Human civilization is a team sport. Libertarianism is like trying to play football where every player is running whatever play they want and expecting not to get totally crushed in 2 seconds by a coordinated team that works together.

@LorgarAurelian1488 @LukeAlmighty @SneedsterSpeedster @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

In this case, he is not even a libertarian. He thinks he is, but he is a bit wrong. A libertarian would be able to support voluntary labor unions as a general concept, even if they don't like specific ones in practice. His extreme levels of individualism prevent him from being a libertarian. He cannot even endorse the concept of a voluntary collective.

@LorgarAurelian1488 @SneedsterSpeedster @sizzletron@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew @Senpai-kun
Most libertarians would not be libertarians, if they believed something as a "team" even exists. But the ammount of backstabing in this "team" should turn everyone into a libertarian imho.

I have never seen anyone who claimed to be on "my side" actually do the slightent inconvenience to help me.

@LukeAlmighty @Senpai-kun @sizzletron @dew_the_dew if you think you can't do that in a union, you have never been a part of one. Right to work laws are anti-libertarian.

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron theory =/= practice

@Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

It has always been a libertarian take that something which is good when it is voluntary is not necessarily better when it is mandatory. It follows that the reverse is also true.

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron yeah but that doesnt make unions good. they prevent upward mobility and get in the way of negotiations because everything must be done through the union head. if you are in a union, you are essentially a subcontractor for whomever employs you.

@Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

It is in the nature of a collective to sacrifice flexibility in exchange for stability. That's not inherently bad unless the employee in question is such a one-man army that he cannot be disposed of easily on his own merit. I'm willing to bet a lot of people aren't that singularly powerful in whatever company they work for.

Regardless, if a worker can choose not to join a union, where's the foul?

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron sometimes there isn't a choice, or the individual in question is harassed by the union for not joining

@Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

I mean if people are finding Union-planted horse heads in their bed, that's a matter for the police.

@Senpai-kun @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron non-trade unions are also notorious for protecting bad employees from being fired i.e. abusive teachers or government workers

@Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

Teachers unions are compulsory. Pretty sure it's the same for most if not all government workers as well. It's an important distinction.

Unions have a bad reputation in America but I suspect that this was a particularly clever tricked played by the Devil. Turning economic right-wingers against any ability for workers to collectivize leaves them at the mercy of corporate oligarchs.

It's as strange as the phenomenon of socialists hating the white working class. You'd think it wouldn't be possible to square that circle, but here we are.

@Senpai-kun
Opposition to unions in the USA was forged in the tail-end of the 19th and the early 20th century when the state DECLARED WAR on many White working class unions (including the he women and children of the men in the unions) who stood up and refused to be slaves
To cement the hatred of these unions by the conservatives, the government printed tons of propaganda calling the Whites anarchists, communists, etc
Actual commies pretend that these groups were communists (they weren't) while simultaneously hating them for being White
Look into the Coal Wars

@Nudhul @LukeAlmighty @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

@s_purdo @LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

Yeah I need to get read up on the details of the union busting history in America, because that is one of the tougher nuts to crack when talking to normiecons.

Even if specific unions today are as fake and gay as the GOP, that doesn't in any way invalidate the concept. Absent criminal interference, there's no reason they shouldn't solve the problems inherent in employer-employee power relations.

@Senpai-kun
Precisely. The so-called unions of today are no more than corporations stealing the name.
Calling them unions is similar to saying that the Chinese economic system is marxist

@LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

@s_purdo @LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @dew_the_dew @sizzletron

Yeah, everyone knows the Chinese are the real fascists.

@Senpai-kun @s_purdo @LukeAlmighty @Nudhul @dew_the_dew @sizzletron good for them