@dave
No, it's not.
I am comparing what I see as most probable outcome based on a single variable.

Perfect speedruns are not a way to plan your life.

@dave @LukeAlmighty Do they just idle for years and years? Why?

@applejack @dave
This is the hardest part, that poasters will never understand.

Hormones start raging at the age of 15. That is primary school. That means, that the girl cannot possibly marry the first guy, till 3 years later. Fuck that, she cannot even talk about it.

But 3 years later, she is already in high school, with a random set of people and away from her family. And this "friends group randomization" won't end up till she's 25.

@LukeAlmighty @dave I wonder why historical marriages were 12-16 and girls evolved to get periods at 12

@applejack
Do you see any logic in what I just described @dave , or does it all seem to you as a bunch of nonsense?

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @dave Bunch of nonsense.

@LukeAlmighty @dave Very sensible

Nah, I've thought about this for a while. Basic thoughts
- Statutory rape laws always need close-in-age exceptions (Romeo and Juliet Laws), otherwise you end up in weird situations, which have happened, where a 19-year-old sleeping with a 17-year-old gets put on the sex offender registry, when their relationship would have been fine if they were 18 and 20. Or you end up with two 15-year-olds sleeping with each other, and both getting charged with statutory rape, because they were both under the age of consent. This has also happened.
- As a rule your age limits should be drawn around actual criminality, not just seediness. Statutory rape is a serious charge that if convicted can easily ruin your life, and the punishment should fit the crime.
- Unlike most crimes which operate off of a "mens rea" (guilty mind) standard, which requires that you knew what you were doing, statutory rape laws tend to operate on a "strict liability" standard, which means that even if you had reason to believe the person you were sleeping with was of age (for example, you met in a bar, which requires showing ID, which implies that everyone in that bar is of age), you can still be tried and sentenced even if your belief that they were of age was reasonable.
- I don't like this, I think it should be mens rea like anything else, meaning if you had reason to believe they were of age, then you shouldn't be able to be tried. So if she looked old enough to get into the bar, and she's telling you she's 18, then you shouldn't be liable if it turns out she was lying.

@dave @applejack
I meant the part, where women cannot possibly marry, since they are already on the way to get their "promissing careers"

Lol, I guess I misinterpreted then. But no, I don't think women that go to college are setting themselves up to become unmarried spinsters, though this could be because of my Mormon upbringing.

A lot of Mormon women go to college with the expectation that they're going to find and marry a guy, and he's going to be the breadwinner. I think it's the same (to a lesser degree) in normal colleges; women go hoping they'll find someone to marry.

Women do get sucked up into careerism and ultimately ending up unhappy because they missed out on building a family, and that's sad, but I don't think that's the universal college experience.

@dave @applejack
> I don't think that's the universal college experience.

Why are you talking in absolutes? Ain't "It's making things much worse" enough? There will always be an exception to anything.

>my Mormon upbringing

Did you grow up under hardcore Mormons or the more normiecore Mormons? I see a lot of both around here.

This question is difficult to answer. What is hardcore vs. normiecore to you?

@dave @applejack
But thanks.
I think I made my point now. If you feel like there is something I should consider, you have my full attention.

Is your point that women get sucked into a career trap and then wind up in their 30s and miserable because they're (at least semi) successful and refuse to date down?

@dave @applejack
Not entierly.
My point is more like:
-If they want a 4 kid family, they should start at 20 tops.
-They cannot start a family at 20 because thy have no security.
-Traditional system of security (Marrige) has been made impossible, until either one or both people have income. This doesn't happen till they are 25, because of the education system.

And at 25, woman is already in debt AND unable to have 4 kids.

It is a complex trap, but the result is the same. Women start considering marrige as an option by the time, the entire concept is pointless.

@dave @applejack
The difference is, that I am not saying "stupid woman chose bad", but "all good choices women used to have are now gone".

@LukeAlmighty @dave @applejack I think this is a general problem now even if women don't get sucked into the education trap. They are marrying later in life and not able to have large families because of it. We don't value being responsible now like it used to be, for both women and men.

@dave @LukeAlmighty @applejack BYU is a good school. I wouldn't hesitate to send my daughter there, even though I'm not a Mormon.

@dave @LukeAlmighty @applejack Oh no, whatever will we do without hookups with people we meet at bars

@KonataWagner1066 @LukeAlmighty @dave It's not discouraging the girls from acting slutty, it's one-sided, and girls acting slutty is way more harmful to them

People will go to bars and hookup regardless of the legality. It's like drugs, or any other vice. The idea that outlawing something the people want will make it disappear is a fantasy.

@dave @LukeAlmighty @applejack My serious thoughts would be something like this:
-Romeo and Juliet laws are good
-I've never encountered a man who had an issue regarding getting with an underage girl accidentally, so I suspect the frequency of this issue is being exaggerated
-Hookups among people who meet at bars will always be a thing to an extent, sure. But if you play with fire, you might get burned

@KonataWagner1066 @applejack @dave
The problem with the Romeo and Juliette laws is, that it doesn't solve the education trap.

There is no reason a kid should study till 25. Programming doesn't take that long to make you employable. But we have filled education with so much random shit, that highschool absolvents are barely employable.

@LukeAlmighty @applejack @dave I agree on the education front. The problem with education though, at least in America, is that the refusal to recognize inherent differences in intelligence means we'll never do tracking. So everyone without a clear direction and not much smarts will be pushed into college and waste a lot of their time.

That being said, I still don't like the idea of teen marriage and think the ideal age for that is probably mid twenties. And trust me, if my family's genealogy records are anything to go by, you don't need to start pumping out kids at 18 to have huge families.

@KonataWagner1066 @applejack @dave
Yeah, there are way too many factors I would love to complain about, but the education trap is the main one.
Also, the universities as they are now shouldn't really exist, but people are so obsessed with the idea of "všeobecné vzdělání""translated: education about everything at once" that they don't notice they've lost 10 years on bullshit.

@LukeAlmighty @KonataWagner1066 @dave He's on poast so he can't see my reply but I'll note that any system that encourages smart women to get education at all is always dysgenic and means you'll be noticeably dumber within a generation

Also, is všeobecné vzdělání something like everythinggeneral alldone? Looks like "всеобщий всёделаны"

@Matty @dave
Yes, I know, that you guys are incapable to distinguish between ages 6,15 and 30, so I use the term "young", to mae sure there won't be an idiot who will think I am talking about 6 year olds.

What do you think a valid age of consent is

@Matty @dave
Age of consent is a bullshit that had to be made up as a result of people having sex without any connection to forming a family.

I believe, that marrige should be possible around 15, but pre-marital sex is just bullshit.

And I would even allow to keep age of conscent at 18, but I would place the marrige age lower, since family formation does require a lot of stability, that cannot be achieved, when you feel forced to study till the age of 25.

So you should be able to marry prior to 18, but not consummate it? You know how retarded that sounds right? It's like the potheads that talk about how much they want to legalize cannabis for medicinal purposes which is really just a front for recreational legalization.

Just say it dude. You want to bang kids.

@Matty @dave
If you cannot take me at my word, then I have no reason to continue.
Goodbye, and welcome to my block list. It is a verry prestigeous club, but you'll fit right in.

Block deez nuts, faggot.

Block away, you faggot nigger.

If you take Texas’s Romeo and Juliet law and apply it to marriage under 20 I wouldn’t mind it (allows 17 year olds to marry 20 year olds, 18 to 21, 19 to 22, and from then on 20 to whoever)

Hell I think marriage should be restricted to an 8 year window the rest of the time too

@LukeAlmighty @matty @dave Thank you for exposing yourself, pedophile.

There are so many of these people on fedi, wtf...