@NEETzsche
I just cannot get over that unbelievably complicated file system...

But I'm working on it.

@LukeAlmighty The thing with loonix in general is that, from a mathematical perspective, a great deal of it is legitimately simpler than windoze, look from a human cognitive perspective the exact opposite is true.

A great example of this is the file system as you say. Except it's not really the file system itself, it's actually the way they organize the files in the system. That's what I imagine is the issue for you. I bet you're thinking things like: "where is the configuration file for this program I installed? What are the settings I can change in it that aren't listed in there by default? How do I get it to reload this file without rebooting the entire fucking box?" And so on.

Am I right?

@NEETzsche
> where is the configuration file

Yeah... that would be also good. But my favorite question is more like l: What disk is this file even on?

@LukeAlmighty df -h

“I bet you feel stupid now for not just knowing that off the top of your head huh? ”

No but seriously I sincerely expect Linux spergs to really want you to “just know” these commands even though that isn’t how this works at all

@NEETzsche
Don't worry. I heard the same line many times before

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty i mean that's why there's --help options for every command

@lina @LukeAlmighty that's only helpful if you know which command to run in the first place

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty yeah but i'm trying to point out that only absolute retards would expect people to know all relevant commands by heart when the very people that make them make sure there's a way for you to at least figure it out if you never ran it before or if you forgot what it does

@lina @NEETzsche
Man is about as instructive to average user as dripping an apple is descriptive of gravitational mechanics.

If you know, it might seem obvious, but if you don't know, it's just a falling apple, not a measurable example of applied force that is constant, and applies to objects outside of the atmosphere with wildly different results...

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche that's why i don't use man :D:

@lina @LukeAlmighty I do

Lots of hidden nuggets in those man files. But I'm also a tech sperg. I'm not going to try to tell some guy who trades stocks for a living to bother with this shit

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty yeah, but mostly all you need to learn is how sudo works, how your package manager works and how nano works if you're using something simple like ubuntu

@lina @LukeAlmighty imagine not using emacs smh

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty sudo rm /usr/bin/emacs
sudo ln -s /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/emacs
jokes aside, people should consider that not everyone is a turbocoder sperg that needs macros or programmability or some lisp related bullshit and nano is a good command line text editor that doesn't require looking up how to fucking close it lmao

@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche a couple of nano's keybinds always annoyed me - M-u for undo. had it all setup to be like the standard notepad keybinds back when i used it

@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche yea, or ctrl+x instead of ctrl+c to close it, but i think as long as you figure out that ^ means you hold ctrl, you'll be fine with it

@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche i rebound copy to C-c and paste to C-v and cut-line to C-k and it was comfy asf

then my terminal not supporting C-Backspace properly annoyed me so i wrote my own editor

@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche schizopilled

@lina @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche look, having to reach for M-backspace is REALLY annoying after a while. you gotta do what you gotta do

@lina @LukeAlmighty I don't actually use emacs. I actually use neovim

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty you get what i mean, nano's good for people that don't code and don't wanna look up how to exit vim

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty yes, linux spergs expect you to know the baseline GNU userspace shit

that's why I had to get a copy of Sam's Teach Yourself Linux in i don't remember how long, back in '97.

A lot of culture cruft built up. We really should start simplifying the filesystem layout into something closer to what Apple did with MacOS X. Programs, Config, Home.

Losers still demand sticking to the UNIX philosophies, and the fact is, that shit is long, long over.

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty sorry i forgot libraries... Executables ("Binaries"), Non-Executables ("Libraries"), Configuration, User ("Home"). Like testicles, spectacles, wallet and watch. Sweet, simple, to the point.

We've got to expunge the trannies, and the elitists. And love our brothers who will need to learn to use a different operating system, because Windows has begun to start coming down on them. And I want it to be Linux, because BSD needs to exist as the legacy UNIX to keep those who demand a legacy UNIX pinned in one place. (There's a word for this, I forgot it)

Of course, this will inevitably bite me in the ass, just as my work in democratizing and making widely available access to computing and the Internet did, but I've gotta take the bad with the good, for the best for all of us.

@ShariVegas @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
linux is outdated,

@sysrq @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche 9front is fucking absolutely infested with trannies like crotch rot from hell, get fucked nigger

@ShariVegas @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
sorry can't hear you over my 9p2000

@sysrq @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche SORRY CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY OPERATING SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY WORKS WITH MODERN HARDWARE

@ShariVegas @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
that shit's

@sysrq @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche THAT'S FANTASTIC YOU KEEP PLAYIN WITH YOUR CORE2DUO THINKPAD OVER THERE NIGGER, I'LL BE OVER HERE GETTING SHIT DONE

@ShariVegas @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
linux is basically windows

@sysrq @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche 9tranny confirmed

@ShariVegas @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
am I wrong? both are based on outdated systems, both have a massive code base, both are bloated, etc.

@sysrq @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche Yeah, you are, because you love to trust the plan9 like the little 9tard you are.

Windows is insanely proprietary. You have no idea what's going on. At least with Linux, I have a chance, and I can butcher millions of lines of code out of the kernel, and it'll still work.

Go hang from the rafters with HURD.

@ShariVegas @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche
>Windows is insanely proprietary. You have no idea what's going on.
I have the source code, but still the dialect of c they use is fucking wacko
>At least with Linux, I have a chance
emphasis on chance, plan9 source code is VERY readable
>HURD

@sysrq @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche Yes, chance, because absolutely positively fucking no one will ever audit any operating system's code, unless you autismmaxx into l4.

Which, by the way, has much more readable code than 9fag. Also, no one uses it either.

This is what NEET has been going on about for the past 24 hours. Retarded dysfunctional autistic elitism. kill -9 your body's pid1, halt your brain, and leave it hanging.

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty there's a utility for searching manual pages; manual pages contain a short description of the command at the top

BUT GUESS WHAT

its slow, badly named, AND badly designed - when the FUCK is the last time you used apropos(1), other than seeing it run triggers after every update on debian or ubuntu?

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty manpages suck anyway because WHO THE FUCK NEEDS GROFF FOR THIS

@errante @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche literally never used it. didn't know it existed

@animeirl @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche EXACTLY

@NEETzsche
Also, that kinda doesn't explain the structure or why the entire thing isn't structured by disk.

And OBVIOUSLY.... all the videos on the topic begin and end by naming the folders in root directory, and saying what kind of files they contain without going into the logic. MADNESS!!!!

@LukeAlmighty It's structured arbitrarily. You can mount these partitions basically anywhere. You can make your USB thumb drive mount to `/fuck/your/mother` if you really wanted. The way it's done by default varies by distro

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty hehe or if you wanna be cheeky

/mnt/your/mother

@NEETzsche

@LukeAlmighty You're asking for "the logic"? Here's the redpill on Linux directory structure: there is no logic. It's all arbitrary. Everybody who writes a program just makes it up as they go. Literally. You'll notice some patterns, but they're not rules.

@NEETzsche
Finally, thank you.
Why the fuck didn't every single video on the topic begin by this exact sentence?

@LukeAlmighty Intellectual dishonesty, Stallmanite brainwashing. That's the best answer I can come up with

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty there is logic :D

its called historical cruft!!!! same as the rest of everything in fucking computing!!!!!! god i hate computers

@errante @LukeAlmighty That's fair, but I want to remind you that this is ultimately about people who seem to actually believe it's reasonable to demand people who think "memes" means "cute cat GIFs" and "trolling" means "Duke Nukem impersonations on Xbox Live" get a computer science degree so they can use some shitty chat service. It's fucking ridiculous.

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty yea im saying it is ridiculous and sucks. i actually tried my hand a while back at making a distro that fixed the file system organisation, but my celeron couldnt take compiling cmake 5 times in a row

I was literally thinking this rn I'm over loonix and windoze, don't get me started on appel

lmao yeah it's a pain in the ass https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/mount-command-in-linux-with-examples/
even worse when you need to create a new root mount point for your raspi because SD cards have shit storage capacity

the loonix kernel is a nightmare compared to BSD

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche If you're an user, all you need to know is that your stuff stays in /home/yourusername