@NEETzsche
I don't get it. Why do all the open source fanboys LOVE to live in a perpetual state of denial? No matter how many times you explain the difficulty of using their stuff, instead of trying to figure out how to decrease it, they will spend their time just arguing that it's better that way.

(triggered by your comments on xmpp and my perpetual fight to learn the BASICS of how to use Linux.)

@LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche linux, and pretty much any other FOSS out there, comes with a steep learning curve but once you get past that learning curve you end up with about the same amount of tinkering with shit you'd have on windows or other "proprietary" software once you start getting into more nitty gritty stuff. linux is nitty gritty by nature.

it's not nearly as intuitive as windows is, though, hence the learning curve. the most intuitive linux experience you can find is ironically one that just mimics windows or mac.

i like the idea of linux, and it is good to use for certain things for sure. but when i want shit to just work without *too* much finangling? why would i use linux over windows if i'm just playing a game? so i can brag i'm playing on open source software while i'm getting 20-30 FPS less and i had to add a bunch of launch arguments to make it work in the first place? not worth it. that's how most people see it because most people really don't need a computer to do anything more than basic tasks and video games.

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche the hardest part of Linux is unlearning windows tbh

@f_o_u_r_t_y @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche ever tried playing games on a laptop with a dedicated gpu and an integrated gpu using linux? i swear that shit is actually impossible, i could never get it to use my dedicated gpu no matter what i did. on windows it's as simple as changing the power setting.

like i said, linux is just super unintuitive. hardened, and free, and super customizable... but horribly unintuitive. i'd rather spend time working on/playing stuff than troubleshooting it.

some people actually do enjoy the whole troubleshooting nature of it though, and i'd be lying if i said i didn't for the most part (i really do love fucking around with technology). it gets to a point though where it would be nice if i didn't have to. or, to a point where i have exhausted every resource and the thing just still doesn't work, which has only happened to me using linux lol.

@beardalaxy @f_o_u_r_t_y @NEETzsche
Also, I just don't know where to start learning.
As I said with the file system, I watched many videos, and ALL of them were like: here are the folders....

And since most people use Linux as a server instead of a main OS, the entire sphere of guides is about how to install Appache and... yeah, that is all you'll ever need.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @NEETzsche wdym by the file system exactly?

@f_o_u_r_t_y @beardalaxy @NEETzsche
What clarification do you need?
C:\ does not exist, and neither does D:\
And since everyone kept saying "Programs go here, settings go there", someone would assume, that there is a logic behind the exact amount of folders and their kinds. Especially, since everyone kept repeating: "your data goes to user folder", when I have literally never used that folder on windows for anything important.

Either the file system is complex for no reason, or people explaining it are absolute idiots.

if you share your computer, that documents folder becomes very important because if you save everything in another disk, everyone can see it, unless you set permissions manually. The "average user" thing to do is move the documents folder to the new drive and use it that way.

The linux/unix filesystem has the most important bits in common: /etc for config bin for system binaries and /lib for system libs. Mostly /etc is where people fiddle around. The assholes putting their stuff in /opt and putting settings there are degenerates and should be shot

@corfiot @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @NEETzsche I think discord puts some files in /opt lol

Most things going there are monolithic static stuff, usually proprietary, that need to work "everywhere". But they all, without exception, recommend you use a specific user for it. Well. duh. Put it in that user's home directory. Which you are also encouraged to make "/opt/program". I usually just put this in /bullshit and config every path to be "~", just to spite them and my face (cause I'm ugly)

@Corfiot @beardalaxy @NEETzsche @f_o_u_r_t_y
So, that means, that the user folder works the same as on Windows, and all the other sub-folders are "don't worry about it" (like windows and program files)

Why cannot Linux teachers talk like humans for 5 fucking minutes?

@LukeAlmighty @corfiot @beardalaxy @NEETzsche what channels were you looking at for it?