@sjw @LukeAlmighty do you want spoilers?

@LukeAlmighty @GrungeQueef @LukeAlmighty nah I've been able to get a general idea of the ending from memes posted online

@sjw @GrungeQueef
Either way, the anime is definitely worth it.

@LukeAlmighty @LukeAlmighty @GrungeQueef seems like a good animu.

I just don't want a downer.

I finished watching Kämpfer earlier this week
https://anidb.net/anime/6685

I watched Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri yesterday
https://anidb.net/anime/10982

And I plan to watch part 2 today
https://anidb.net/anime/11602

I dunno what I'll watch after I finish Gate but I'll find something.

cc @Soy_Magnus
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@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @GrungeQueef @Soy_Magnus @beardalaxy welp I downloaded 8 more sessions end now have 142 episodes and a movie to watch.

I just started Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic
https://anidb.net/anime/9268
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@LukeAlmighty @sjw @LukeAlmighty Without getting into major spoilers as to what happens to which character, the city (and the rest of the world) that the people are in chews up people and spits them out. It's just that kind of setting.

@LukeAlmighty @heavens_feel @LukeAlmighty Yes, this is why you don't vote :democrat:

@LukeAlmighty @sjw @LukeAlmighty Mike Pondsmith tried to warn us in the tabletop Cyberpunk game.
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@heavens_feel @sjw @LukeAlmighty iirc original versions of cyberpunk had extreme sanity losses for changing your gender and your character actually had to go to therapy otherwise they would go insane

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @sjw @LukeAlmighty -1D6 Humanity is not that bad compared to some of the harsher penalties for extremely radical body modification* (putting your brain into a helicopter, a combat borg replacement shell, etc.)

* I think the penalty could be higher if it was an involuntary modification (if it was done, for example, by the plastic surgeon to the target of his revenge in the film "The Skin I Live In". )
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@heavens_feel @sjw @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy important distinction: cyberpunk humanity is a representation of disassociation resulting from body augmentation. there's literally a therapist option that restores it over [long] periods of time, but cyberpsychosis is basically you completely disassociate with being a person and lose all empathy with humanity.

(shadowrun, though, ...)

@heavens_feel @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @sjw shadowrun essence can never be recovered.

i think CBRed reaffirmed this by adding a paragraph that if you are a veteran whos leg is blown off and replaced with a human standard equivalent it specifically does not incur cyberpsychosis rolls, and i think sex changes were made zero too.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @heavens_feel @sjw shadowrun essence can never be recovered. its supposed to be a representation of your original self being replaced because the soul is tied to the OEM parts or whatever and so the more you replace of your body the less of a presence you have on a spiritual level.

people who like being offended took this to mean having a robot arm makes you "less of a person" (like say the CDDA crowd who basically said essense is a wokeness violation as part of the no-fun-allowed-for-CBMs campaign) but its really just a balance measure so you can't make a mage who is a living tony stark suit

@icedquinn @heavens_feel @sjw @LukeAlmighty people who are missing limbs still experience phantom pain and limbs. bodies can reject other types of blood and organs from donors. so the idea of a cyberpunk setting where people are removing stuff on purpose and swapping it out is kind of like, how far can you go until your mind kind of shatters due to the dissonance of having body parts that aren't your own?

that's why stuff like therapy exists there too, because it does in real life for people who need to get prosthetics or go through other life altering changes. only in the cyberpunk genre it's exaggerated a little because everything is and that's kind of the point.

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @icedquinn @sjw @LukeAlmighty

I'm reminded of what was talked about in the Bubblegum Crisis RPG (which includes conversion notes for porting material over to CP2020).
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@heavens_feel @sjw @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy oh yeah. bubblegum crisis basically used the original cyberpunk rulebook. but with anime girls.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @icedquinn @sjw @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy The flesh is spiritual. It occurs in nature. The machine isn't. When I ran Cybercthulhu an insane AI had to steal MP and POW to be able to cast magic. As a digital lifeform it had none of those things naturally.

@sjw @LukeAlmighty not only is it sad, it's needlessly bleak (because that's the setting, apparently) and i felt like i kind of wasted my time watching it.

if you want some cyberpunky stuff to watch just go for blade runner or ghost in the shell or alita. it's more worth the time even rewatching any of those.

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty yeah, that's the vibe I got from it

@sjw @LukeAlmighty actually i take back that it's sad because it's not really. i'm pretty quick to cry at sad stuff but i never cried watching edgerunners. it was mostly annoyance and a little bit of just feeling empty. it wasn't emotionally moving in a good way.

sit me down with any random naruto episode though and i'll probably be tearing up at some point xD

@beardalaxy
Bruh, that's weird, because I was at tears at the end of edgerunners. It was so incredibly painful to see David cross one line after another. And at some point, you got, that there is no saving him.

It was beautiful

@LukeAlmighty I was just thinking the whole time how unlikable and retarded of a character he was lol. Was not moved by it at all.

And Rebecca's death was stupid as hell. Like the writers were writing episode 10 going "fuck i forgot we only have 10 episodes and we haven't killed Rebecca yet, let's just get it over with." Her older brother's death was lame too, it had little to no impact and was completely unnecessary. I can't even remember the dude's name.

In fact the only names I remember are David, Lucy, and Rebecca, and I only know those last two because they're cute girls.

@beardalaxy
Well, yeah. People were dying during the entire run. They are mercenaries, so it is kinda part of the deal.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. You cannot out-debate someone to like a show anyway.

@LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @beardalaxy one person opined that David's tragic flaw was always chasing after what he thought other people wanted him to do (first his mom, then the leader of the gang whose position David inherited) instead of what David himself wanted.