Yeah it is a non-question. Ewoks did more damage just by having more eyeballs on them.

@Deplorable_Degenerate @LukeAlmighty Star Wars was always slop with backwards moral messaging but modern franchise slop is just a whole different beast. Gorillians of dollars spent, hundreds of hours wasted on jingling keys and saying "Hey, remember this thing people liked 60 years ago??" and goycattle PAY FOR IT

@Deplorable_Degenerate @LukeAlmighty I'm more of a Trek guy and went through Lower Decks recently because I, too, am cattle, and it was just PG 13 Rick and Morty except twice an episode they go "Hey remember Dataaa... member Voyageeer... member Harry Kim? Here's a whole fucking ship of Harry Kims, and a T'Pol!"

It's such trash I can't stand it. (I will still watch the Trek slop because I am a new world order soyjack)

@Deplorable_Degenerate @LukeAlmighty Also twice a season they have to show the crew all having gay sex together, and ofc the main character is a savant black girlboss who doesn't even have to try to be amazing.

@AngelCelt @Deplorable_Degenerate
Yeah, I am so insanely burned out on Star Wars, that I cannot even force myself to watch it.
Even the good ones. I know, that Bad batch should be the last golden nugget left there for me, and it seems, that they made Maul begging for me to return, but the amount of disgust they have shown for... a THIRD OF MY LIFE?

No... That ship is not only gone, but had been deconstructed and rebuild from a new wood.

Just the trailers for Force Awakens was enough to sour me. It wasn't just that they were everywhere, it was that they were using reaction videos in the trailers. They had audience reactions to Han and Chewie doing the "we're home" bit.

This was around the time I just stopped watching TV and got ad blockers for everything. So they did do one good thing.

@LukeAlmighty @Deplorable_Degenerate I think it's ok for things to end. The reason I still follow Trek is.. well one, Paramount + has a live channel where they'll play random episodes and they add most new stuff to the rotation unless it bombs, so I have to to know what I'm looking at when I work out, but also because at its heart it's episodic with periodic serialized stories to shake things up or change the status quo, so it's possible for someone to come in and use the setting to do something different. Seth McFarland did it with Orville, the comedy was a little annoying but he got the basic formula correct.

In something like SW a lot of the bad is baked into its identity. Everything has to be universal stakes, good vs evil, the good guys always have to be the underdog. The only reason books could get away from action slop is bc they're decoupled from the visual identity, I don't think you can make Star Wars "smart" or really evolve on it in any significant way.

Just let the thing be itself at its place in history and die. That's my Star Wars take.

It wasn't just the books, a lot of Star Wars media managed that.

I greatly dislike the prequels but the bad guys were the underdogs in those for most of their run. But the sequels couldn't have something like the New Republic fighting a fading Imperial remnant in another open war slug fest between because of Jar Jar Abrams and his member berries. Member the Rebel Alliance? Now we have the Resistance.

The Mandalorian could have just been a fun space western. I was almost interested until somehow they dragged Yoda and le epic stakes and good vs evil into it, then hard passed.

It wouldn't be hard at all to step away from these tropes. Hell the fans do it constantly by trying to humanize the Imperials. But they're to fagged and worried about being too experimental try it.

... then they have Rian Johnson come in to be experimental in the worst most narratively unsatisfying way imagineable.

@Deplorable_Degenerate @AngelCelt
When half of people love my film, and half hate it, then I know I did a good job.

His direct quote :D

And I can respect the ambition, but maybe Don do it with a juggernaut itself FFS.

I still liked and boosted Luke's post because I like that this was done to spite Disney, of course.

@Deplorable_Degenerate @AngelCelt
Yes, it is obviously an unfair comparison, but that statement of itself is the point.

You cannot have the Holiday special as the good guy. That should not be possible

@colahpse
You can only so long keep posting "the force is female" before your 80% male audience vanishes.