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We are living in the worst possible timeline. Every possible distopia at once.

It's not technology per se, it's technological post-scarcity creating a Rat Utopia scenario.
> I don't like the panopticon, so we need more government intervention.
Yeah, I didn't really listen to his argument that much because it's just hard to take him seriously.

People didn't stop reproducing because they might get recorded when they're dancing at the club.

Ubiquitous recording is about 20 years old and population decline dates back to ~ roughly, WW2

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> People didn't stop reproducing because they might get recorded when they're dancing at the club.

That is literally the reason bruh.

Think about it. In order to open up and flirt, you need to push boundries in a socially unacceptable way. That is the entire point. To get to a point, where social norms no longer apply between the two of you.

Yet instead, now we live in a world, where there is no safe place to attempt crossing that line, and punishment for such a failure is jail and complete social condemnation.

Good luck asshole.

It's exactly what causes the failure of the mouse utopia.

Even mice need a little privacy for courtship and mating. When there are other mice literally everywhere, they can't breed. And the antisocial behavior of overcrowded mice leaves an imprint which makes them 'autistic' even as the population declines. Finally none of them are able to breed, and the colony dies out.

@JollyR @Humpleupagus @ned @PNS @cjd
Yeah... The problem is, that the popular interpretation is, that "they're not breeding, because they are just too happy with their life."

The word "utopia" is what causes this insanity.

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Meanwhile, you have experiments like: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park that demonstrate, that even things like drug use are used mostly as a coping mechanism when living conditions are already so awful, you don't want to live in this world anymore.

I wish people made this experiment famous instead. Although, people are so dumb, they would misinterpret it too -_-

Okay so your contention is that it's technology that is causing population collapse, then explain this:
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@cjd @Humpleupagus @JollyR @ned @PNS
If you claim, it's caused by technology, how do you explain this?

Shows literally a graph of falling birth rates following release of destructive technology.

Not all technology is released by Apple you know.

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You're trying too hard to make the data fit your narrative and you know it's not going well.

In around 18 BC, Emperor Augustus imposed the Julian Marriage Laws.

> Extravagance and adultery were widespread. Among the upper classes, marriage was increasingly infrequent and, many couples who did marry failed to produce offspring.

So I guess you will tell us that this too was the cause of technology?

@cjd
There is a role that technology plays in this. Because we are conditioning our brains to interact with things not people. But I think it's a very recent thing, and probably not going to show up in your chart.
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