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@shpuld
This is why "green" advocacy is retarded. This is what "green" advocacy brings you, along with shitty straws that are no longer recyclable and now get to rot in your landfill.
@shpuld
Life without straws isn't worth living.
Staws themselves aren't terribly useful tho, their main use is complicated coctails and sodas (since you avoid washing your teeth in goga-gola :DDDD)
but real solution was with us all along - drink more water
@hj @shpuld
Ideally you'd want to reuse paper straws to make other paper/cardboard products. Compost is the last thing you want to do with paper/cardboard stuff. Technically you can, but it's not the easiest thing to compost, and it's a waste.
But from the discussions I've heard when this entire mess started, the issue is that straws are too narrow/small to throw into the normal paper shredders, so they currently can't actually be processed.
Places like McDonald's apparently invested money into custom infrastructure to handle plastic straws, precisely because of their small size leaves them harder to deal with. And now they're forced to do it all over again because some stupid politicians behind a desk that have no idea how the world works.
Yeah I get that straws can be too tiny to shred, makes plastic straws somewhat better alternative i imagine since you just smelt/dissolve those(?).
I think real problem and real reason why people switched to paper straw is littering and people not sorting the trash.
I still don't understand why don't they just serve bottles/cans.
@hj @shpuld
>and real reason why people switched to paper straw is littering and people not sorting the trash
Here's the thing though, most straw use is in restaurants, not random people at home. It's much easier to get restaurants to sort trash, a lot of them do it already, and it's much easier accomplished.
The idiocy of the paper straw "solution", is that it focuses at 1% of the straw problem, that come from domestic usage, when with traditional plastic straws you had solutions ready and available to fix 99% of the problem.
But this is what dipshit "green" advocacy does. It ignores good enough solutions, because they're "just" 99% instead of 100%, and they literally advocate against them, and leaves you into a spot where you're struggling to even get back at where you were previously.
Another sign of "green" advocacy doing this is with the decline in nuclear energy. It's not 100% "clean&renewable" so they're trowing away this solution when we didn't even manage to phase out coal yet.
Instead of pushing for nuclear and solar/wind/etc. until we phase out coal, and only after that trying to phase out unsafe nuclear too; instead they're slowly pushing out nuclear while we're literally still relying on fossil fuels.
@alyx @hj @shpuld
I am not a big believer in "one true solution". Solar panels have livetime of a hamster and wind power seems to be causing climate irregularities that we're not used to dealing with yet. On the other hand, no matter how I look at it, nuclear power seems almost too perfect to be true.
Nuclear only has two real downsides - the scarcity of fuel and the highly-dangerous waste.
@hj @LukeAlmighty @shpuld
Fission fuel is not that scarce. Not to mention that things like thorium-salt reactors could actually reuse some of the previous nuclear waste as fuel. So there are potential solutions to extend the fuel as much as possible.
But it doesn't even need to last forever anyway. Just enough till you get fusion reactor going. After that, you really wouldn't have much to worry about regarding fuel.
t. factorio player
@hj @LukeAlmighty @shpuld
Sure, but pound for pound, you get a lot more out of uranium, so it balances out.
@hj @alyx @shpuld
That is where we have a strange difference in world view.
Yes, we have a limited time and yes, we have limited resources.
That means we have to use them NOW, before our civilization does collapse, because we cannot afford to loose another 500 years for a new empire to be built.
we are soooooo close to greatness.
@LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
Kinda true. If we force a dark age for the sake of "muh environment" advocates, not only are we stopping progress, but the society is likely to lose our knowledge and understanding of how to do these things.
Did you know that because NASA hasn't been to the moon for half a century, they no longer have any idea how to rebuild the rockets they used in the 60s-70s?
We're definitely better off using these resources now, even if only a fraction of them gets put into researching and developing better sources of energy.
As for uranium running out, sure eventually it will. But it's gonna be a long while before it does. And if we manage to make fusion in that time, you've basically reached the end goal.
And you know how humanity works, right? Oh we only have little coal and a tiny bit of power? Better not waste it! Oh now we have tons of power now? Fuck it, let's run AC at 100% 24/7, let's waste it on mining bitcoins, let's forget to turn off the heater etc etc etc.
We can't really tell if nuclear will last us until we start building dyson spheres, if we ever get there.
But then again, it's not like we have many options...