@Terry
I also remember when Corona-chan hadn't mutated several times into much more contagious versions of herself.

@alyx @Terry a result of mass vaccination, says the Nobel prize winner who created mRNA vaccines. Look up Antibody Dependent Enhancement

@coyote @Terry
Corona-chan started mutating before vaccination even got underway properly. So that's a load of bs.

@alyx @Terry don't debate me, debate the guy who invented the mRNA technology we're using, or at least hear what he has to say. The death rates all spike after the vaccine too.. Most places do

@coyote @Terry
>death rates all spike
And that would mean something, if most of the people getting Corona-chan wouldn't be unvaccinated.

@alyx @Terry they are often vaccinated, seen israel lately? The shot doesn't protect against variants
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@coyote @Terry
Change "often" to "rarely" and you'll be on the right track. As for Israel, I haven't had the time to look at the actual data. I suspect reporting is faulty, especially since from my understanding, Israel is already mostly vaccinated, with a small minority unvaccinated. So you no longer have a control to compare against over there. And for a country that dealt with this problem so well and swiftly, any number of cases would seem like an explosion.

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@alyx @Terry No, it's quite often. The raw numbers were shocking, maybe you should look at them.. 80% vaccination and someodd million catching COVID despite getting two shots. I don't have the data on me, sorry.

@coyote @Terry
For Israel, I also remember hearing 80-90% vaccination rate, but the million infected are since the beginning of the infection. You need to look at current daily infections to be able to try to draw a conclusion, not the total number. And even then, there are a lot of variables you'd need to account for.

@alyx @Terry From the numbers I saw 60% of new cases were fully vaccinated

@coyote @Terry
When most of the population is vaccinated, and there's a good chance even among the unvaccinated a lot of them already had it, and have natural antibodies, that number is perfectly normal and expected.
If 100% of the people were vaccinated, you would literally have 100% of infected people be vaccinated, but that in itself still doesn't tell you anything.

It's a known fact that no vaccine provides 100% protection, so we know for sure that anywhere between 5-20% of people (depending on the Corona vaccine taken) would just not respond to the vaccine, not develop antibodies from it, and would contract Corona-chan just as if they never vaccinated.
Add to this that newer variants might be more resistant, and that for some people, that were the first to take the vaccine, maybe their antibody count has started to drop, and there's nothing strange or unexplaineable in Israel getting cases. (not to mention that they were finally relaxing after they'd been in a worse lockdown that USA).

@alyx @Terry
> When most of the population is vaccinated, and there's a good chance even among the unvaccinated a lot of them already had it, and have natural antibodies, that number is perfectly normal and expected.
it's clear you didn't follow me... Muting the thread unfortunately
@coyote @alyx Israeli media said something like 85 percent of the people hospitalized were vaccinated
@Terry @coyote @alyx yus it depends. the clowns are saying it's all unvaccinated people. other sources are saying it's almost entirely vaccinated people. i don't have my hands on anything i feel confident about rn.
@icedquinn @alyx @coyote its all media spin either way. There is no point in getting the vaccine. You are statistically just as likely to get the coof if you haven't got the vaccine
@Terry @alyx @coyote if the truth turns out that it has so many breakthroughs as to be worthless and its causing people to be hospitalized we can get the EUA terminated. :ablobcatbongo:
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