@Terry
I also remember when Corona-chan hadn't mutated several times into much more contagious versions of herself.

@alyx @Terry a result of mass vaccination, says the Nobel prize winner who created mRNA vaccines. Look up Antibody Dependent Enhancement

@coyote @Terry
Corona-chan started mutating before vaccination even got underway properly. So that's a load of bs.

@alyx @Terry don't debate me, debate the guy who invented the mRNA technology we're using, or at least hear what he has to say. The death rates all spike after the vaccine too.. Most places do

@coyote @Terry
>death rates all spike
And that would mean something, if most of the people getting Corona-chan wouldn't be unvaccinated.

@alyx @Terry Antibody Dependent Enhancement is when a large population starts to produce a specific antibody targeting a specific virus, in this case COVID, and the virus *responds* by mutating and becoming more virulent and less deadly. I don't know the specifics, unfortunately this is the extent of my knowledge, I just trust the person who said it.
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@coyote @Terry
>*responds*
Viruses don't "respond". Do you even understand evolution by natural selection?
What you're referring to is literally the act of environment pressure providing the means of selecting in favor or against certain mutations. Thing is, these mutations still happen, with or without the vaccine. You select for them by eliminating the standard variant, but it doesn't mean they don't develop otherwise. And as long as the variants are more infectious (and they are), they'd still become the dominant version over time.

By vaccinating, all you did was reduce the number of people who get infected or severe cases of standard Corona-chan, helping people recover a lot faster, and providing any potential infection much less time to develop mutations in the bodies of vaccinated people.
Meanwhile, the actual variants people were scared about, literally happened in countries that had low vaccination rates. Remember the British variant? Remember how Britain tried to do natural herd immunity? You think India is a heaven of medical accessibility?

Yes, maybe mutated variants might get past the current vaccine (although last studies I've heard still showed that most vaccines are still very good against Delta), but those mutations would have still existed, with or without the vaccine.

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@alyx @Terry Idk you're talking like you know what you say is a fact, but I don't think you do. The difference is, I'm quoting someone that knows their shit. Also nitpicking semantics over the term "responds" seems like a weak place to start the counter argument. You say in so many words that fundamentally "respond" isn't an incorrect term there. So you admit vaccines are creating variants, and you don't argue that current mRNA gene therapies are effective, you actually admit they might be.

By this reasoning you *want* new variants...
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