@matrix @applejack Explain who is hurt by watching a video in your computer.

@miria @applejack Nobody, but someone can be in the making of it

@matrix @applejack OK but I said watching, not making.

@miria @applejack By consuming content you incentivize it's creation

@matrix @miria By buying a tshirt you incentivise sweatships. It's not a standard you apply to anything else. Also, not really. CP site's don't exactly have sponsors or many advertisers. Unless you pay for it, any claim to incentivising it is nebulous enough that anything could do anything

@applejack @miria I have banned bonerfuel atleast 6 times now. The account lives off approval of it's peers, no money needed.
I can buy shirts not made in sweatshops and those sweatshops are usually an improvement of the life conditions of those kids compared to alternatives.

@matrix @applejack Are you sure your phone was not made in sweatshops? Are you sure everything you've ever bought was not made in sweatshops? Are you certain you've never incentivized anything bad in your life? Seems doubtful.

@miria @applejack It probably was but by adults

@matrix @applejack Which means you should be in prison for incentivizing it.

@miria @applejack Not illegal

@matrix @miria Aren't you a libertarian type? Laws can be unjust

@matrix @applejack So if child porn were legal it would be OK?

@miria @applejack No

@matrix @applejack Then you have no argument because your argument was "It's illegal"

@matrix @miria

>improvement of the life conditions of those kids compared to alternatives
We all know Benjamin Powell is right, but the point stands. Interchange blood diamonds or whatever

@applejack @miria There's also a different between a necessity and a vice. You can live without porn, but you freeze without clothes.

@matrix @miria If i don't get Adidas, I'll freeze. If i don't get an iPhone, I can't live in society

Besides being a reach, this basically only applies to taxes

@applejack
You don't need Adidas but you need shoes and no you don't need an iPhone.
@miria

@matrix @miria So are people that buy Adidas or iPhones supporting evil or not? The reason for the CP exception was because it's not a necessity

@applejack @miria Kinda

@matrix You don't incentivize anything by watching a video. Do TV stations incentivize murders by reporting on them, so should it be illegal to report murders? Or does buying T-shirts incentivize sweatshops, like @applejack said? Might as well ban everything, since you could argue it incentivizes something bad.

@matrix @applejack If you watch a video and no one knows about it, it is literally impossible for it to incentivize anything because you're the only person who knows it happened.

@miria @applejack They kinda do tbh by giving the perpetrator too much attention.

@matrix @applejack Alright so let's ban reporting on any crime, right?

@miria @applejack Not all crimes are created equal

@matrix @applejack In other words, incentivizing murder is OK. Is that the position you're taking?

@miria @applejack Not all crimes are incentivized by reporting, not all murder is. Mass murders usually are, killing your spouse in an argument isn't.

@matrix @applejack Let me see if I got this right:
- Child sexual abuse is incentivized if a person watches child pornography without anyone else knowing.
- Murder is not incentivized if it's reported on national television.

Did I get that right?

@miria @applejack Yes

@matrix @applejack In that case you are unintelligent.

@miria
I didn't say all
@applejack

@matrix @miria It's getting abstract and moralist. Let me concrete it down

8yo girl takes hot sexy cunny pictures naked. 10 years later decides of their own 18yo will to upload it online

What's the harm? 3 tangents later it's incentivising something bad?

@applejack
8 year old wouldn't purposefully take sexy pictures (she could take random nude pictures because she thinks funny, I certainly did). The law probably disagrees, but I guess it could be fine depending on the pictures and the context, nudity by itself isn't sexual.
@miria

@applejack @miria
But the scenario you are describing is like 1 in a billion.

@matrix @applejack @miria
>8 year old wouldn't purposefully take sexy pictures
Women need attention even more than they need oxygen. This is a universal constant regardless of age. The moment they find out that people will give them attention for "sexy pictures" they're going to be sending that shit out like it's their job.

@Ricotta @matrix @applejack @miria >like its their job

Thanks to shit like OnlyFans, it's not even "like" a job. It *is* their job. That they also don't even have to pay taxes on this income.

@saitei @applejack @matrix @miria @Ricotta
Onlyfans is a messed up and predatory site that should be shut down or ban adult content. Did you know that they don’t even verify age of the women or if they consent? They found a bunch of sex trafficking going on in there

@miria @matrix I am a rapist. Don't make me mad or I will go rape women. Your fault

@matrix @miria @applejack
>can
yeah can but not must

so you mean watching it is ok?

@EnjuAihara @applejack @miria Technically, but by consuming content you incentivize it's creation

@matrix @applejack @miria nobody knows if im watching it.
so how would i incentivize it?

@EnjuAihara @applejack @miria If a tree falls and nobody hears it, did it really fall?

@matrix @EnjuAihara @applejack Not an argument.

@matrix @EnjuAihara @applejack You still haven't explained how watching a video without anyone knowing about it somehow incentivizes anything. If I had contact with some child pornography producer and paid them to rape a kid and record it, sure, that'd be incentivizing child abuse. But how does watching a video incentivize anything? The answer is it doesn't.

@matrix @miria @applejack what if they aren't though

@lolipussylicker1488 @applejack @miria Putting kids on the internet is still bad

@matrix @lolipussylicker1488 @miria

@matrix @lolipussylicker1488 @applejack It's bad because... I-IT JUST IS OK?!?!

@miria @lolipussylicker1488 @applejack Photos etc of your younger self are usually embarrassing

@matrix @lolipussylicker1488 @applejack Either you ran out of arguments or you're trolling.

@miria @lolipussylicker1488 @applejack No, this one I stand behind. The others are kinda flaky.

@matrix @lolipussylicker1488 @applejack "It's embarrassing" is a terrible argument though.

@Corfiot @matrix Why?

@applejack @matrix
Ok I'll bite

1. you create a market around content by consuming it, if you didn't create it yourself. This makes market forces work for creation of new content, i.e. more kids being abused in the case of cp.
2. if on the other hand you created it yourself you're a pedophile and already a criminal so other people watching your videos is rather secondary to you being behind bars
3. sweatshops and sweaters. You can chose at the best of your ability to not use sweatshop products. You can even go without non-essentials if you find no ethical alternatives. For stuff like food/clothes, you just select the lesser evil. It is ethical to try. It is *less* ethical to NOT try when you know about the sweatshops, using an excuse that you're not yourself personally running the sweatshop. You're funding those who run it indirectly.
4. Watching a video of anything is rarely done in secret. Therefore your circle is influenced. This could include secret pedos still in control, this pushing them to act, using your "tastes" and "approval" as an excuse.
5. Even if you do watch it in secret, you're feeding these behaviours in yourself. You are molding your taste to this content, even by a small degree. You are degenerating, becoming less, de-evolving. Especially if you're not watching it out of spite for "free speech" or an ethical standpoint. Which would be idiotic anyways, you could "rebel" by watching other "banned" content (such as wikileaks stuff).